is the CSS to low?

[Stu-Pid]

It's adjusted to a 6 on the initial 3 cards for HC purposes, but once they have a HC it becomes net double bogey, so if it's a 2 shot hole then it's adjusted to an 8.

[Scott W]

Explains the confusion...thanks Stu

[Scott W]

It's adjusted to a 6 on the initial 3 cards for HC purposes, but once they have a HC it becomes net double bogey, so if it's a 2 shot hole then it's adjusted to an 8.

I just got my first cut   from Golf Club Great Britain (GCGB) based on a card I submitted and it has come back 0.4 larger cut than I expected. They adjusted my gross from 86 to 85 but in my view I didnt have any holes worthy of an adjustment.

It would only be adjusted if they hadnt taken my shots into account (as you would for first 3 cards)...anyone else use GCGB??

Have mailed them to ask the question as seems a bit daft to subscribe to online supplier who is applying rules wrong  

[Stu-Pid]

Post your card up here if you've still got it (or at least the scores, pars, SI and SSS).

[Scott W]

This was technically 2 x 9 on the same course but GCGB allow that as long as same course and relatively close together (this was Weds and Fri)

Hole   Par   SI  Gross

1       4      3    6
2       3     17   4
3       4      7    7
4       4     15   6
5       4     11   6
6       4      5   6
7       3     13   4
8       4      1   4
9       5      9   7 Front 50

10      4     4   5
11      3    18   3
12      4     8    4
13      4    16   3
14      4    12   4
15      4     6   4
16      3    14   3
17      4     2   5
18      5    10   5 Back 36

Par 70   Gross 86
SSS 67
H'cap for round 24.0 played as 24 naturally

My Calc was 86 -67 = 19 - H'cap 24 = -5 x 0.4 = cut of 2

They have put me off 21.6

[mattyarse]

This was technically 2 x 9 on the same course but GCGB allow that as long as same course and relatively close together (this was Weds and Fri)

Hole   Par   SI  Gross

1       4      3    6
2       3     17   4
3       4      7    7
4       4     15   6
5       4     11   6
6       4      5   6
7       3     13   4
8       4      1   4
9       5      9   7 Front 50

10      4     4   5
11      3    18   3
12      4     8    4
13      4    16   3
14      4    12   4
15      4     6   4
16      3    14   3
17      4     2   5
18      5    10   5 Back 36

Par 70   Gross 86
SSS 67
H'cap for round 24.0 played as 24 naturally

My Calc was 86 -67 = 19 - H'cap 24 = -5 x 0.4 = cut of 2

They have put me off 21.6

Interesting - I made it 22 as well??

[Longshot]

Interesting - I made it 22 as well??

Is it the 7 on the 3rd?

[Blofeld]

Is it the 7 on the 3rd?

Shouldnt be as the hole is an SI7 where he only gets one shot

7 less his shot = 6 which is nett double bogey anyway so no downward adjustment in his score is necessary.

Perhaps the online company are adjusting down to gross double bogey???

[mattyarse]

Is it the 7 on the 3rd?

One for Stu / Nick / GB

[Stu-Pid]

Interesting - I made it 22 as well??

And me.

Was the SSS for another set of tees 68 rather than 67?  It's possible that they are using the wrong tees in their calculations.

[Longshot]

Perhaps the online company are adjusting down to gross double bogey???

That's what I wondered.

[Scott W]

And me.

Was the SSS for another set of tees 68 rather than 67?  It's possible that they are using the wrong tees in their calculations.

SSS is 67 for all 3 tees

[Stu-Pid]

SSS is 67 for all 3 tees

 

First time I've heard of that.

Er, yeah.  Don't really know what to say then.  Either they're using the wrong calculation method and adjusting down to gross double bogey, they got the SSS wrong, or they got your starting HC wrong.

Do they definitely use CONGU methods?  I know that the EGU scheme used to use a system similar to the USGA system which took an average of your last X cards.  Maybe they're using something like that?

[golf_bhoy]

Can't see it myself, but a couple of things to consider.

1) Your starting HC - was it 24 or was it 23.6?

2) Has the course been re-rated recently?  GCGB's courses database could be out of date ...

[Scott W]

Er, yeah.  Don't really know what to say then.  Either they're using the wrong calculation method and adjusting down to gross double bogey, they got the SSS wrong, or they got your starting HC wrong.

Do they definitely use CONGU methods?  I know that the EGU scheme used to use a system similar to the USGA system which took an average of your last X cards.  Maybe they're using something like that?

I know most folks are at Pyrford but for when you get back I am posting my email exchange with GCGB to see if it makes sense to any of you 

Email to GCGB

Hi Kate,

Thanks for the new card, arrived this am

I have a quick question, I see on line that the 86 was adjusted to 85 (based on the attached), which I am guessing was the gross 7 on hole 3 becoming a 6?

I was lead to believe by some friends much more knowledgeable than myself on these matters that the “first 3 cards gross scores were adjusted to gross double bogey” but that once you had a handicap it was only adjusted down if it was higher than “net double bogey”...is this not the case?

Thanks

Scott

Response

Hi Scott
Sorry we are extremely busy at the moment and I haven't had a moment to check this out.  We have always, as far as I know adjusted all scores down to a double bogey. Was the score you entered  your actual gross stroke score or handicap allowance strokes?
 
Kind Regards
 
Kate

2nd email

Sorry, appreciate you are busy, ...

My gross score was 7 on a par 4 which was stroke index 7 (off 24 I receive 1 stroke) so it was a gross triple bogey and a net double bogey.

It is my understanding that once in possession of a handicap the adjustment of the gross score is to a net double i.e. it would stay a 7 rather than to gross double i.e. a 6

Is that not how GCGB does it?

Thanks for your time

S

Response received today

Hi Scott
I have passed your query onto our National Captain as I was getting confused myself!   I hope his succinct reply confirms the GCGB position for you on adjustments.
 
Hi Kate,

Let me know if the following helps re: your query?

1)      Double bogey adjustments ONLY applies to Medal competitions (does NOT apply to Stableford competitions)
2)      Double bogey adjustments are done on a hole by hole basis (eg. If for a par 3 the player had a total of 6 shots, this would be adjusted to a total/gross 5 regardless of handicap)
3)      Stoke index can be ignored as this is only applicable to Stableford play for points scoring

Give me a call if you need more explanation.

Regards . . Gary


Help....sooooooo confused