is the CSS to low?

[Tin Pot]

2)      Double bogey adjustments are done on a hole by hole basis (eg. If for a par 3 the player had a total of 6 shots, this would be adjusted to a total/gross 5 regardless of handicap)

Gary is on crack.

The assessment is made ... by reducing all scores to nett double bogey.

Appendix C: Stableford, Nett Double Bogie Adjustment

Tosser. >:(

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I mean Gary not you.  It pisses me off when someone doesn't do their job properly for the sake of three seconds on Google.

[Scott W]

Gary is on crack.
Appendix C: Stableford, Nett Double Bogie Adjustment

Tosser. >:(

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I mean Gary not you.  It pisses me off when someone doesn't do their job properly for the sake of three seconds on Google.

No edit needed Joe 

I am not sure how to proceed, I am paying for their service (albeirt £19 a year) so would like them to do it properly!!

Perhaps will email him back and attach link to CONGU??

[Tin Pot]

 

[Scott W]

Done, will wait for their reply 

[Scott W]

Latest installment....

Email from GCGB
Hi Scott,

Thank you for your email.

By way of further explanation, the system operated by the GCGB is straightforward, uncomplicated and, in general,  follows the principles of latest CONGU guidelines.

When the GCGB receives a scorecard it is important to indicate whether the competition played was stroke play or stableford and the tee colour played from (white or yellow) as this impacts the SSS and PAR.

In the event that this was a Stableford competition, then no ‘double bogey’ adjustments are made as this is based on the number of points scored and takes into account the stroke index for each hole.
You handicap would be lowered if you scored > 36 points and 0.1 would be added to your handicap for scores which are ‘<  36 - buffer zone’ also taking into account the SSS/PAR.

Stroke or medal play is handled very differently, again the scorecard must indicate the tee colour played from.

In summary, the card is then checked hole by hole with any individual hole score being adjusted to a double bogey as required. 
The adjusted gross is then totalled and entered into the system.
Again handicaps will be lowered if Adjusted Gross – Handicap comes below the Par for the course or will be increased by 0.1 if Gross – Handicap exceeds PAR taking into account your buffer zone.
Again SSS is used in the calculation.

I trust this helps.  Please let me know if you have any further queries.

Regards . . Gary

Gary M. Jackson
GCGB Internaqtional Captain

[Cols_Ears]

That's as clear as mud then.

Still doesn't sound as if they are taking "nett" scores into account (ie using the stroke index) just arbitrarily making the worst score a double bogey...

[MisterS3]

Two things

"in general,  follows the principles of latest CONGU guidelines"

I wish i could in general follow the principles of stuff - would make life so much easier.

He can't spell "international" in his sig

Does this mob issue a EGU recognised handicap?

[Scott W]

Two things

"in general,  follows the principles of latest CONGU guidelines"

I wish i could in general follow the principles of stuff - would make life so much easier.

He can't spell "international" in his sig

Does this mob issue a EGU recognised handicap?

https://secure.golfclubgb.co.uk/

This is their site, interestingly no mention of "EGU recognised"....waste of £19   

[MisterS3]

https://secure.golfclubgb.co.uk/

This is their site, interestingly no mention of "EGU recognised"....waste of £19   

Could have given Stu a tub of hair gel and he'd have done it for you

[Blofeld]

Latest installment....

Email from GCGB
Hi Scott,

 and, in general,  follows the principles of latest CONGU guidelines.

it either follows the congu guidelines or it doesnt!!!!!!!

See if he can answer the simple question...

In medal play does a bad score on any individual hole get adjusted to nett double bogey or do you adjust to gross double bogey?

Reading between the lines of some of the responses youve allready had my interpretation is that adjust to GROSS double bogey....

2)      Double bogey adjustments are done on a hole by hole basis (eg. If for a par 3 the player had a total of 6 shots, this would be adjusted to a total/gross 5 regardless of handicap)

This is plainly incorrect.

He is however correct about the lack of need to adjust scores in Stableford comps....he just doesnt explain himself clearly.

[Scott W]

Could have given Stu a tub of hair gel and he'd have done it for you

Daft thing is after asking you lot a bunch of questions I do do it myself hence I queried the outcome of my first cut....

Does Stu have a nice card printer??

[Tin Pot]

Could have given Stu a tub of hair gel and he'd have done it for you

[Scott W]

it either follows the congu guidelines or it doesnt!!!!!!!

See if he can answer the simple question...

In medal play does a bad score on any individual hole get adjusted to nett double bogey or do you adjust to gross double bogey?

Reading between the lines of some of the responses youve allready had my interpretation is that adjust to GROSS double bogey....

Final Installment

My mail to GCGB

Thanks for the reply

So just to clarify....

In medal play does a bad score on any individual hole get adjusted to nett double bogey or do you adjust to gross double bogey?

My understanding of CONGO rules is that it should be the former

Thanks again for your time

Scott

His Reply (note at least this time he spelt International correctly )

Hi Scott,

To clarify – any ‘bad’ score i.e. when 3 or more over par for any hole would be adjusted to a double bogey, this would be regardless of the stoke index.

Under Congu it is possible to convert a stableford score into a medal score by taking the stoke index into account. 

However, in the GCGB we apply do not support stableford to medal play conversions and only assess handicaps on the basis of the type of competition played (Medal or Stableford).

The statistics indicate that this method of handicap assessment yields a possible error rate of < 2.5%.

I hope this helps, please let me know if you have any further queries.

Regards . . Gary

Gary M. Jackson
GCGB International Captain


CONCLUSION.... s

[Blofeld]

Laughable.

[Stu-Pid]

What a crock of sh*t.

Funnily enough, doing it properly yields a possible error rate of 0%   

By rounding down bad holes to +3 gross, they would be awarding 28 handicappers 1 stableford point on 10 holes where they may have actually made zero points, and ensures that even if they scored 10 on every hole, they would still magically score 10 SB points for HC calculation purposes.

If I were you I'd write back and say that unfortunately you are one of the "<2.5%" and so would like your money back.

Also, WTF is an 'International Captain'