is the CSS to low?

[Scott W]

Will draft a suitable response and let you know how I get on!

I wonder how many people are merrily operating under incorrect handicaps from using this bunch of  ??

I only noted the difference because (with the help of many folks on here ! ) I worked it out for myself on a spreadsheet.

Thanks to all for input 

[MisterS3]

Will draft a suitable response and let you know how I get on!

I wonder how many people are merrily operating under incorrect handicaps from using this bunch of  ??

I only noted the difference because (with the help of many folks on here ! ) I worked it out for myself on a spreadsheet.

Thanks to all for input 

[Scott W]

Final mail to "Internqational Captain" 

Thanks Gary, unfortunately I have fallen into your 2.5% following the submission of my first card where my cut is over-stated under GCGB rules rather than CONGU.

As my desire is to track my handicap changes accurately under the same rules as if I were to belong to a club I shall therefore no longer be using the service.

I will leave it to your discretion as to whether you feel it appropriate to refund my fee

Kind Regards

Scott

Off to change my signature to a correct 22.0  :(

[Scott W]

From Internqational Captain

Hi Scott,

I will ask Kate to provide me with your score cards for my review, after which I will get back to you direct.

I am a little confused as a 2,5% error on a handicap of say 18 is only 0.45 which should not have a major impact.

Regards . . Gary

Gary M. Jackson
GCGB International Captain

Is it just me or does an error of around half a shot, which depending on rounding could be a full stroke in a comp not make a difference 

[Stu-Pid]

I am a little confused as a 2,5% error on a handicap of say 18 is only 0.45 which should not have a major impact.

 

Just the difference between being Cat 1 (golfing elite) or Cat 2 (golfing good).  Or maybe the difference between 38 points off 22 and a comp win, or 37 points off 21 and a 2nd place finish.

Have these clowns got a website?

[Scott W]

Have these clowns got a website?

https://secure.golfclubgb.co.uk/

Established for 24 years!!!!

The Golf Club Great Britain was originally formed in 1986 to meet the needs of those golfers who were not members of a private golf club but wanted a properly monitored handicap not only for their self satisfaction but to open the opportunities to play at courses throughout the UK and abroad.

In 1998 The International Golfers Club was launched for non UK residents, offering the same handicapping scheme to members worldwide. There are now over 600 members in Germany alone, with Switzerland and Austria having some 350 members.  We have close ties with Professionals in these countries as well as many societies and works groups, whose handicaps we monitor at greatly reduced rates.

For anyone new to golf, your handicap card is essential, and lets other golfers know your level of ability. More and more courses in the great golfing destinations such as Spain and Portugal are demanding to see a proper handicap card. Our handicapping scheme calculates handicaps in the same way as a  private club, which enables fair competition between all golfers.

[Stu-Pid]

Hmmm, I've spotted another elementary mistake...

To calculate your initial handicap

When you have submitted your first three cards, we take the 'average' of these cards to establish your initial handicap. This is calculated by taking the difference of the Gross score and the SSS off the yellow tees for each card.

For example, three scores of 88, 90 and 95 on a course with a SSS of 72 will result in an initial handicap of (16+18+23) 57 divided by 3 = 19. Therefore giving you a playing handicap of 19. As stipulated by CONGU, GROSS scores are adjusted to a maximum of double bogey, e.g. on a par 4 hole, if you gross 7, we will manually adjust your score to 6.  We recommend you adjust GROSS scores only (stableford points need no adjustment) before submitting your cards, but  don't worry, we will always check scores have been adjusted before entering them.

So that's 19 rather than the 16 that CONGU guidelines would suggest.  

Well, start as you mean to carry on I guess.  


EDIT: I've also just noticed the part where it says it uses the difference between the gross score and the SSS off the yellow tees.  What if you played off the whites and the SSS is 2 higher than the yellows?

[euros]

Just the difference between being Cat 1 (golfing elite) or Cat 2 (golfing good).  Or maybe the difference between 38 points off 22 and a comp win, or 37 points off 21 and a 2nd place finish.

Must be run by ellesmere GC Handicap sec  

[Scott W]

Hmmm, I've spotted another elementary mistake...

So that's 19 rather than the 16 that CONGU guidelines would suggest.  

Well, start as you mean to carry on I guess.  

Good point!!

My adjusted gross for the first 3 cards I submitted to them were 24, 26 and 23 (which they averaged to 24.3 and rounded to 24!)

So I should have started at 23, and with the correct cut of 2.0 I am now 21.0...off to change sign again!!  

Good job I didnt come to Pyrford y'day or would have been DQ'd

[Stu-Pid]

So I should have started at 23, and with the correct cut of 2.0 I am now 21.0...off to change sign again!!  

That'll be £19 please.   

[MisterS3]

That'll be £19 please.   

I guess you're using this stuff now

[Scott W]

That'll be £19 please.   

Do you supply a copy of the R&A rules, a Stu-Pid GC bag tag and car sticker and the opportunity to play with fellow members all off totally inaccurate handicaps??

[Stu-Pid]

Do you supply a copy of the R&A rules, a Stu-Pid GC bag tag and car sticker and the opportunity to play with fellow members all off totally inaccurate handicaps??

You can have the copy of the R&A rulebook that's in my bag, a bag tag from The Grove, a TalkTalk car sticker, and the opportunity to play with people I know with totally inaccurate handicaps (Matty, Jesus, 3PW, Vince etc etc etc).

 

[3puttwizard]

  

[Scott W]

His reponse to me saying I didnt want to use them and suggesting a refund was.....

Hi Scott,

Kate has sent to me a scanned copy of your scorecard.  A good round!!

I have also taken the opportunity of speaking with a Congu specialist to check that my interpretations are correct.

To clarify – my CONGU specialist pointed out a couple of things:
1)   Any club or organisation has at its discretion whether to allow stableford scores to be converted to medal score (he suggested that this was unwise)
2)   The latest Congu thinking around adjusting scores which are > 3 over par to net or gross is currently under review (again!)
3)   He suggested that whether net or gross is used was irrelevant since the margin of error is so small that it is arbitrary

Reviewing your scorecard:

Your card shows a gross score of 86 playing of a 24 handicap = net score of 62 which is 5 below the SSS of 67
As a minimum your handicap would be adjusted by 24 - 5 x 0.4 = 22.0 (new playing h’cap 22)
Applying a gross double bogey, yields 24 – 6 x 0.4 = 21.6 (new playing h’cap 22)

Again speaking to my Congu specialist, he recommends the Congu rule of observation should in this case be applied to adjust the handicap further as clearly you are a far better player than a 22 h’cap.

Strictly speaking you are capable of playing to a 19 handicap, in my opinion, applying the official Congu observation rule, I would recommend a handicap adjustment to 20.

I trust this clarifies.

Regards . . Gary

Gary M. Jackson
GCGB International Captain