Quick H'cap question

[Scott W]

Simple (hopefully) h'cap question...

I track my h'cap officially using GCGB but also track social handicaps for my society. I recently had a decent knock and will get a cut, based on my own calcs (simple spready) I think 24.0 will become 22.0

I submitted the card on Weds pm (played Weds am so very timely) to GCGB but clearly they havent processed it as I am still showing online as 24.0

Played a social game this morning with a mate, what should I have played off??

I assume if you put a card into your club it takes a while (few days?) to get officially cut. I only know/have estimated the scale of my cut because I have bothered to work it out.

As it was a mate I played off 22 but if it had been comp?? (if it helps assume GCGB were your club)

Thanks

[Tomba]

Isnt it always the PLAYERS responsibility to know when he/she should be cut and how much?

Anyway, you're in Category 4. So for every stroke you shot less than the SSS (normally its CSS) than take off 0.4, so if it was 5 shots less than SSS then its a full 2 strokes off

[Scott W]

Isnt it always the PLAYERS responsibility to know when he/she should be cut and how much?

Anyway, you're in Category 4. So for every stroke you shot less than the SSS (normally its CSS) than take off 0.4, so if it was 5 shots less than SSS then its a full 2 strokes off

Thanks...how does that work if you play in a comp but dont know the CSS outcome and hence impact??

[Tomba]

Thanks...how does that work if you play in a comp but dont know the CSS outcome and hence impact??

If you play in a CONGU event then the CSS is worked out based on how the four categories score on the day.
Normally (but not always) on bad weather days the CSS can go up but on calm sunny windless days it will hover around par or less.

If you're using non competition rounds to keep track of your handicap just use the SSS.

[Scott W]

Cheers Tomba

[Tin Pot]

Not it's not a players responsibility to work out the cut, it's the players responsibilty to know his handicap.  I recently had to chase the club for some days after a comp, and CSS meant I wasn't cut significantly.

You cannot know , for certain (unless your well over the buffer) your handicap until the handicap secretary does his job.

[Blofeld]

Not it's not a players responsibility to work out the cut, it's the players responsibilty to know his handicap.  I recently had to chase the club for some days after a comp, and CSS meant I wasn't cut significantly.

You cannot know , for certain (unless your well over the buffer) your handicap until the handicap secretary does his job.

Sorry this is incorrect.

Firstly....It is the players responsibility to ascertain whether all appropriate reductions to his playing handicap have been made.

Secondly...If the player cannot do this then before playing in another competition he has to make an appropriate reduction himself to his handicap by using the CSS if known or the SSS if not.

The two relevant clauses are 8.5 (part of the description of the players responsibilities) and 20.11 in the CONGU UHS.

I quote...

8.5 Prior to playing in any competition ascertain whether all appropriate reductions to Playing Handicap have been made or alternatively comply with the responsibilities set out in Clause 20.11.

and

20.11   If a player returns a Qualifying Score or Scores below his Playing Handicap at his Home Club or away and is unable to:

(a) report an away score(s) to his Home Club or
(b) ascertain whether or not his Playing Handicap has been reduced as a result of the score(s)

he shall, before playing in another competition at his Home Club or away, for that competition make such reduction to his Playing Handicap as shall be appropriate under the UHS by applying the Competition Scratch Score if known, otherwise the Standard Scratch Score, to calculate his Nett Differential and handicap reduction.

Should a player not know his Exact Handicap, such reduction should be made from his Playing Handicap less 0.5, (e.g. if Playing Handicap is 16 then reduction should be from 15.5).

Note: Handicap reductions only shall be applied under this sub-clause. Handicap increases may only be made by a player's Home Club after scores have been duly reported.

[Tin Pot]

Secondly...If the player cannot do this then before playing in another competition he has to make an appropriate reduction himself to his handicap by using the CSS if known or the SSS if not.

I didn't know this, cheers.  I was getting quite stressed out about it at the time, now I now how to handle it.

[3puttwizard]

I didn't know this, cheers.  I was getting quite stressed out about it at the time, now I now how to handle it.

I bet you were 

What prize did you win or did you not muster the balls to go and collect it? 

[Tin Pot]

I bet you were 

What prize did you win or did you not muster the balls to go and collect it? 

it's in my sig, this years earnings si far.

[3puttwizard]

Only won 42 quid for winning your division? Bit tight?

[Tomba]

Not it's not a players responsibility to work out the cut, it's the players responsibilty to know his handicap.  I recently had to chase the club for some days after a comp, and CSS meant I wasn't cut significantly.

You cannot know , for certain (unless your well over the buffer) your handicap until the handicap secretary does his job.

Happened to a mate of mine. He played a Tues medal shot under CSS so was due either a 0.4 or 0.6 cut. The 0.6 would have had him off 12 instead of 13. His Match & H/cap Sec never put the scores through the computer until the Saturday morning so according to his club and Howdidido he was still off 13. He then won an Open Comp on the Saturday afternoon playing off 13. Collected the cash prize and then got a phone call on the Tue/Wed saying he was DQ'd and could he send the cheque back in. Thats how I know its the players responsibility. Funny thing is if he had played off of 12 he would have took 2nd place and still won £80 :(

[golf_bhoy]

If you play in a CONGU event then the CSS is worked out based on how the four categories score on the day.

Category 4 scores aren't included in the CSS calculation.  I guess that's due to the likelihood of a couple of them shooting "lights out" (as improving golfers, not bandits) and forcing the CSS down.