Man made obstructions in a bunker

[Ian]

Topic was raised the other day at my club about one of our bunkers.

The hole plays steeply uphill and has a deepish bunker cut in at the side of the green. The face/wall of which is made/supported/lined with wood panels.

Question was raised that as the face/wall is man made then you are allowed a drop away from the wall (but back in the bunker) as long as the face/wall interferes with the intended swing?

Will say that there is no local rule about the bunker.

Interested to hear your comments as I have always played it as a normal bunker and when by the face have played out sideways.

[MisterS3]

It's an integral part of the bunker.

[SBL]

Integral/immovable
(I thought this was going to be about French motorists)

[ianbakerfinchrules]

relief can be taken in the bunker with no penalty but it will prob pluyou can actually take something called hamlet relief in this situation where under a penalty of one shot you can go back as far as you like taking the pin and where your ball lies in a straight line

[Tin Pot]

It's an integral part of the bunker.

it seems crazy, but Ian is correct.

Ianbakerfinchrules us on some kind of methamphetamine.

<shrug>

[Blofeld]

again the definitions in the rules of golf help us....

Bunker...

.....A wall or lip of the bunker not covered with grass is part of the bunker....

So no free relief is possible and IBF needs to lay of the funny smokes.

[Stu-Pid]

it seems crazy, but Ian is correct.

What Nick said...

[ianbakerfinchrules]

rule 24 2 b (2 be or not to be hamlet reference!)  should know the rules guys will help you in the future!

[Stu-Pid]

rule 24 2 b (2 be or not to be hamlet reference!)  should know the rules guys will help you in the future!

Nick does know the rules!   

[ianbakerfinchrules]

had a county meeting on sunday and had an egu qualified referee down and this is one of the rules be brought up thats the only reason im pretty confident! another interesting one was that when you drop your ball in a dropping zone it doesnt have to remain in the dropping zone even if it goes closer to the hole ! as long as it doesnt move more than two clublengths .

[Tin Pot]

... another interesting one was that when you drop your ball in a dropping zone it doesnt have to remain in the dropping zone even if it goes closer to the hole ! as long as it doesnt move more than two clublengths .

It's not quite as simple as that though is it?  It depends where the drop zone is in relation to where it was lifted:

(vii) rolls and comes to rest nearer the hole than:
(a) its original position or estimated position (see Rule 20-2b) unless otherwise permitted by the Rules; or
(b) the nearest point of relief or maximum available relief (Rule 24-2, 25-1 or 25-3); or
(c) the point where the original ball last crossed the margin of the water hazard or lateral water hazard (Rule 26-1).

[Blofeld]

rule 24 2 b (2 be or not to be hamlet reference!)  should know the rules guys will help you in the future!

24 2b deals with taking relief from an Immovable Obstruction.

The wood panel wall of the bunker IS NOT necessarily an Immovable Obstruction...unless declared otherwise, it is to be considered an Integral Part of the Course and FREE relief may not be taken.

 

[ask3l]

rule 24 2 b (2 be or not to be hamlet reference!)  should know the rules guys will help you in the future!

Classic example of, knowing a rule isn't the same as understanding what it means.

[oldnovice]

did this not happen to someone Monty played a few years back, he got a lift out of a bunker that had railway sleepers as part of the bunker. Can remember him being not to happy when told by the ref it was ok...

[ianbakerfinchrules]

this chap has refereed on the european tour so i reckon he knows what hes talking about