Non Returns

[Tin Pot]

I used to be quite vehemently against people not handing in cards but I can't recall why. It used to affect CSS, not sure if that's changed now.

Discuss.

[sevenfourate]

    If its a medal (Pretty sure it must be the same for Stableford) and people NR on say the 4th hole,with no others scores entered thereafter, and thus are only able to enter 4 scores into the computer: As i believe it - it will effect CSSS.

 Quite clearly the computer cannot predict the other 14 holes.........

[Tin Pot]

By nOn return, I mean people don't return their card at all.

[sevenfourate]

By nOn return, I mean people don't return their card at all.

You question also pertained to 'effecting CSSS'.

So if it does effect it (And hence potentially every other player in the field) whats the difference if you've played 4 holes,2 holes or entered 13 scores or no scores ?

[Tin Pot]

You question also pertained to 'effecting CSSS'.

So if it does effect it (And hence potentially every other player in the field) whats the difference if you've played 4 holes,2 holes or entered 13 scores or no scores ?

A lot of poor scores increase CSS, if lots of people NR instead the CSS does not go up...

[sevenfourate]

A lot of poor scores increase CSS, if lots of people NR instead the CSS does not go up...

Exactly what i said. So those NR's have effected CSSS.

[Cols_Ears]

Can't remember the last time I had a NR in a singles competition. There is a huge difference in not returning your card (which should be a ban from the following comp IMO) and having one hole with an NR but returning all the other 17 scores. I know that NRs previously didn't have an effect on CSS, but I have a feeling that has now changed.

To me if you start a round you finish the round (except under extraneous circumstances such as injury or unplayable weather). Anything else is just poor form.


Edited due to spelling!

[aces_up1504]

Can't remember the last time I had a NR in a singles competition. There is a huge difference in not returning your card (which should be a ban from the following comp IMO) and having one hole with an NR but returning all the other 17 scores. I no that NRs previously didn't have an effect on CSS, but I have a feeling that has now changed.

To me if you start a round you finish the round (except under extraneous circumstances such as injury or unplayable weather). Anything else is just poor form.

Agreed!

[Yanner]

Can't remember the last time I had a NR in a singles competition. There is a huge difference in not returning your card (which should be a ban from the following comp IMO) and having one hole with an NR but returning all the other 17 scores. I no that NRs previously didn't have an effect on CSS, but I have a feeling that has now changed.

To me if you start a round you finish the round (except under extraneous circumstances such as injury or unplayable weather). Anything else is just poor form.

+1 Great idea, but like all logical great ideas will never be implemented. 

[Tin Pot]

I know that NRs previously didn't have an effect on CSS, but I have a feeling that has now changed.

Yes that's what I'm not sure about. Are NRs regarded as below buffer, or are they ignored by CSS calculations?

[Gregzo]

A NR is counted as a missed buffer for CSS purposes.

Does your club force you to log in to the competition prior to playing in a medal? If so, you cannot "not return" a card. The software will NR you automatically if you have not entered a score into the computer after logging in to the competition. This is therefore a non-issue for those particular clubs.
 

[ask3l]

Can't remember the last time I had a NR in a singles competition. There is a huge difference in not returning your card (which should be a ban from the following comp IMO) and having one hole with an NR but returning all the other 17 scores. I know that NRs previously didn't have an effect on CSS, but I have a feeling that has now changed.

To me if you start a round you finish the round (except under extraneous circumstances such as injury or unplayable weather). Anything else is just poor form.


Edited due to spelling!

Glad to hear you keep it togeter Col, but during my my slump for the 10 round in a row, losing something like my 5th ball at 20 over the buffer with 3 holes left to play. Does having to go back to the tee, lose another 2 balls and end up 26 outside the buffer realy prove anything!
Yanner, logic and the scoring system surely don't go together! Surely logic dictates any card not returned is outwith the buffer, simples!

[Cols_Ears]

Glad to hear you keep it togeter Col, but during my my slump for the 10 round in a row, losing something like my 5th ball at 20 over the buffer with 3 holes left to play. Does having to go back to the tee, lose another 2 balls and end up 26 outside the buffer realy prove anything!
Yanner, logic and the scoring system surely don't go together! Surely logic dictates any card not returned is outwith the buffer, simples!

I agree Andy - but you could have just had an NR for that hole and played the last 2 holes. It's still an NR, but the computer can then account for the remaining holes and apply them to the CSS calculation. Whilst I know it can be very frustrating, it helps all the other entrants in the comp if everyone returns their scores.

[ask3l]

I agree Andy - but you could have just had an NR for that hole and played the last 2 holes. It's still an NR, but the computer can then account for the remaining holes and apply them to the CSS calculation. Whilst I know it can be very frustrating, it helps all the other entrants in the comp if everyone returns their scores.

Sorry if I'm missing something. I know I've not kept up with h/c and css calculations but what difference does that make. Isn't an NR an NR for 1 or 10 holes and over the sss buffer +2, over whether it is by 1 or 51? Gimme rules and regs not ifs and myths. Not accusing you of myths obviously Col but they seem to get banded about as gospel here 

[Vince Baby]

Sorry if I'm missing something.

Stableford Adjustments, perhaps?

http://www.handicapmaster.org/handicaps/Unified_Handicapping_System_Page2.php

"What is ‘Stableford Adjustment’?

Clubs must apply ‘Stableford Adjustments’ to Nett Differentials calculated after a Medal Competition. This adjustment has the effect of converting Nett Differentials under medal play to those which would have been calculated had the competition been played under Stableford format, eliminating any distortions resulting from unusually high scores (such as a 10 on a hole, for example).

Here, players’ Nett Differentials are reduced for each stroke scored on the players card which is more than two over Par after any handicap strokes have been subtracted for that hole (a ‘ Nett Double Bogey’).

No adjustments to Nett Differentials under Stableford Adjustment may be made to Category 1 players (less than 5.5 handicap) prior to 1st January 2001. From this date, adjustments must be made to all categories of golfer. "

Though the above doesn't specifically state it, I presume this then affects CSS.