Striking a ball during a practice stroke

[Stanster]

Happened to me in yesterdays stableford.

Practicing a chip shot onto the green and must have been a little too close as the toe of the club clipped the ball.

Thought the ruling was that you could replace the ball without penalty and carry on.
None of my playing partners knew what the ruling was and I forgot to ask in the pro shop afterwards.

[sally]

Happened to me in yesterdays stableford.

Practicing a chip shot onto the green and must have been a little too close as the toe of the club clipped the ball.

Thought the ruling was that you could replace the ball without penalty and carry on.
None of my playing partners knew what the ruling was and I forgot to ask in the pro shop afterwards.

Unfortunately as far as I am aware it counts as a shot the only time you can get away with it is on the tee as it is not in play yet

[Blofeld]

comes under the rule covering "ball at rest moved".

unfortunately as Dave correctly states its a one shot penalty and you have to replace the ball.

[Stu-Pid]

I fell foul of this rule at the original Moongolfer/ Rockgolfer/ MSG Open when I managed to nudge the ball forward with my putter as I addressed it on the green.

Even better, I managed to do it not once, but twice during the same round on different holes!  Never done it before or since.

Even better still was the fact that I finished 2nd on countback.   

[sally]

comes under the rule covering "ball at rest moved".

unfortunately as Dave correctly states its a one shot penalty and you have to replace the ball.

Sounds a bit odd that you would have to replace it it would sound far more reasonable to just play your next shot from where it lies

[om]

Sounds a bit odd that you would have to replace it it would sound far more reasonable to just play your next shot from where it lies

Isn't that most of the rules? 

[Blofeld]

Sounds a bit odd that you would have to replace it it would sound far more reasonable to just play your next shot from where it lies

I can see where youre coming from but dont forget that the rule (18) covers not only accidentally moving the ball when making a practice swing but also covers things like lifting the ball incorrectly, moving a ball when searching for outside of a hazard, causing the ball to move when removing a loose impediement etc etc etc

if we started having individual penalties within a rule for infractions under different circumstances then the book would become very bulky indeed.....not to mention down right difficult for folks to remember what penalty to apply under what circumstances.

[sally]

I can see where youre coming from but dont forget that the rule (18) covers not only accidentally moving the ball when making a practice swing but also covers things like lifting the ball incorrectly, moving a ball when searching for outside of a hazard, causing the ball to move when removing a loose impediement etc etc etc

if we started having individual penalties within a rule for infractions under different circumstances then the book would become very bulky indeed.....not to mention down right difficult for folks to remember what penalty to apply under what circumstances.

I guess the difficulty of the application of the rule in Stansters case is if he didn't mean to hit it but it still ends up on in a better position than it started say on the green.   

[Stu-Pid]

I guess the difficulty of the application of the rule in Stansters case is if he didn't mean to hit it but it still ends up on in a better position than it started say on the green.

The rules always have to cover the worst case scenario, so imagine that someone gets to their ball to find it stymied behind a tree with no shot.  If they take 2 club length's relief under penalty then they are still without a shot, as would they be if they tried to go back in a line.  If they didn't have to replace the ball after accidentally moving it, what would be stopping them 'accidentally' kicking their ball 4 club length's away into the open?

Quite often the rules don't seem to make much sense until you use them in extreme cases.

[sally]

The rules always have to cover the worst case scenario, so imagine that someone gets to their ball to find it stymied behind a tree with no shot.  If they take 2 club length's relief under penalty then they are still without a shot, as would they be if they tried to go back in a line.  If they didn't have to replace the ball after accidentally moving it, what would be stopping them 'accidentally' kicking their ball 4 club length's away into the open?

Quite often the rules don't seem to make much sense until you use them in extreme cases.

I'm just saying that its another rule that because in some circumstances it doesn't seem to make sense probably gets overlooked depending on the outcome of  the shot

[3puttwizard]

Dave

If you give the ball a death stare does it move?

[Stu-Pid]

I'm just saying that its another rule that because in some circumstances it doesn't seem to make sense probably gets overlooked depending on the outcome of  the shot

Indeed.  It can also work in your favour of course, as if you accidentally knock the ball out of bounds then you're saving yourself a shot under the current rules.   

[sally]

Dave

If you give the ball a death stare does it move?

No but it does work well on my playing partners 

[3puttwizard]

I'm alright then. I'm a non playing partner   

[Below Par]

So if the original miscreant played it without replacing it, the additonal penalty is?


My guesses:

a  another shot and replace it to the original place if he realises or loss of hole in matchplay

b  or  dq for signing incorrect card