handicaps in pairs

[cobra4]

due to play my first ever pairs knockout match and was wondering how the handicaps work.
im off 22 and my partner is off 8, the guys we are playing against are off 26 and 23

does my partner play off scratch and we deduct 8 shots off our handicaps?

singles list goes up at the weekend 

game on

[Stu-Pid]

Assuming that it's 4BBB:

Your partner plays off scratch and the rest of you play off 3/4 of the difference.  So:

8 = 0
22 = ((22 - 8 = 14)*0.75 =) 10.5 = 11
23 = ((23 - 8 = 15)*0.75 =) 11.25 = 11
26 = ((26 - 8 = 18)*0.75 =) 13.5 = 14

[cobra4]

Assuming that it's 4BBB:

Your partner plays off scratch and the rest of you play off 3/4 of the difference.  So:

8 = 0
22 = ((22 - 8 = 14)*0.75 =) 10.5 = 11
23 = ((23 - 8 = 15)*0.75 =) 11.25 = 11
26 = ((26 - 8 = 18)*0.75 =) 13.5 = 14

3/4 difference?
are there any comps where you dont get your handicap chopped?

[Stu-Pid]

3/4 difference?
are there any comps where you dont get your handicap chopped?

Singles are now off full handicap. 

[cobra4]

Singles are now off full handicap. 

TFFT ::laugh:
cheers stu

[MisterS3]

Singles are now off full handicap. 

Now (as is now in England)....as far as i know its been full diff in Scotland for a while. I've never seen 3/4's anyway.

But not before time!

[cobra4]

Now (as is now in England)....as far as i know its been full diff in Scotland for a while. I've never seen 3/4's anyway.

But not before time!

ere ere!

[Tin Pot]

You can't make any assumptions.  Check the rules and handicap calculations with the club.  We run a foursome comp with a handicap limit, combined and divided by two.

[mattyarse]

It absolutely defies logic in my opinion to play 3/4 of a handicap - what is the point of a handicap if you are going to lose 25% of it?

[Foxholer]

It absolutely defies logic in my opinion to play 3/4 of a handicap - what is the point of a handicap if you are going to lose 25% of it?

There wasn't any logic in it for Mens Singles and this year's Congu regs 'direct' Full Handicap (Diff) to be used - as opposed to 'recommended' previously.

For Ladies, there was some logic - before the UHS came in. That was because Ladies didn't have the Stableford Adjustment to handicap, but Matchplay is effectively Stableford!

4BBB is 3/4 for entirely logical reason. Because either player on the team can 'win' the hole, Full Handicap (Diff) is 'too much' allowance.

If any club is still applying the 3/4 allowance to Singles matches, they should be informed that they are breaking Congu Rules.

Ross

[golf_bhoy]

If any club is still applying the 3/4 allowance to Singles matches, they should be informed that they are breaking Congu Rules.

Ross

Clubs could declare it as a Condition of Competition.  As long as entrants know and accept that beforehand, they could still apply ¾ difference.  CONGU can't touch them since they're not qualifying comps for handicapping purposes.

[mattyarse]

4BBB is 3/4 for entirely logical reason. Because either player on the team can 'win' the hole, Full Handicap (Diff) is 'too much' allowance.

I am not sure I follow that logic though. (Not being awkward - I just do not understand).  The competition is between two teams (pairs) where each player can win the hole as you say.  But let's say you and I are a pair, to give us both an equal chance of contributing to our team, how does it make sense to penalise me by reducing the number of shots I receive?  I thought the whole point of handicapping was to enable golfers of different abilities to compete?  In this case not only am I having to battle with my inconsistency (which by definition is why many 28 'cap players are 28 'cap) but must do so with 25% less 'equalisation' than the handicap system affords me.

I may as well stay in the club house and have a beer, whilst you toil away on your own as my chances of contributing are somewhat limited.......

[golf_bhoy]

It's difficult to put the logic into plain English, but it's along the lines that a team consisting of 2 players has a better chance of playing any hole to par than a single player ...

... they won't hit their bad shots on the same hole ...

... I can't come up with better than that for now, but it's based on statistical anaylsis by CONGU (for the stat lovers amongst us).

[Foxholer]

Matty,

GB has actually described it pretty much perfectly.

It amazes me how close 4BBB matches can be!

Apparently the best combination is a 'Wild Willie' and a 'Steady Eddie'. It's likely that you will win at least your fair share btw!

Positive attitude and playing 'your own' game is the way to do well in matches, so trust that the 3/4 works (it really does!) and enjoy the game!

Ross

[3puttwizard]

@Matty & Ross

You will soon feel the force of the Northern 4BBB boyz