Rule Question

[Chip_Unsure]

This happened in Scotland - had no idea what I should have done but was laughing so hard I just walked to the next hole....

Ball in THICK rough, try a pretty hard swing with a wedge to get it out..... good contact- look up is it on the green  ok, still in the rough  hmmmm where can it be.... stuck to the club face wrapped in thick grass.  I could turn the club over and it stayed attached.

So - what should I have done (if it was a competition round)?

[Galway Stevie]

Ben told me about this yesterday and I still couldn't imagine how this happened. Thanks for the clarification. 

How about taking a drop for an unplayable lie. 

[Longshot]

How about carrying it up to the hole and then shake it loose?

[Tin Pot]

Just saw this, and it's bloomin' hilarious! 

You have to submit this to the R&A for a ruling, I'd love to see it in the Decisions book with the pic attached!

[ecclesrec]

Just saw this, and it's bloomin' hilarious! 

You have to submit this to the R&A for a ruling, I'd love to see it in the Decisions book with the pic attached!

The look on his face was priceless!

[Blofeld]

Just saw this, and it's bloomin' hilarious!  

You have to submit this to the R&A for a ruling, I'd love to see it in the Decisions book with the pic attached!

It is allready in the decisions book...

Decision 1-4/2

Q: A player plays a stroke from wet sand or soil and the ball adheres to the face of the club. What is the ruling?

A: In equity (Rule 1-4), the ball should be dropped, without penalty, as near as possible to the spot where the club was when the ball stuck to it. But see also Decision 14-4/1.

and just for reference in case you are wondering what 14-4/1 is all about (striking the ball more than once)....

Q: A player, making a stroke at his ball on the bank of a bunker, hit the ball straight up. The ball came down and adhered to mud on the face of the club. Was the player in breach of Rule 14-4?

A: No. However, the player stopped his ball and was in breach of Rule 19-2.

In match play and stroke play, the player incurs a penalty of one stroke and must drop the ball as near as possible to the spot where the ball adhered to the club (Rule 19-2).

[SkankyShanky]

I think I misunderstood but these sound like they contradict, the first bit (1-4) says no penaltly, the second (14-4/1) says 1 shot?

[Blofeld]

I think I misunderstood but these sound like they contradict, the first bit (1-4) says no penaltly, the second (14-4/1) says 1 shot?

Two different decisions.

The first one is directly related to the situation the OP quotes (ball sticking to the face during stroke) and answers the question fully and finally.

The second one is for a totally different situation (ball being hit and then landing back on the face and sticking) but I have included it because it is referenced by the first one. The second decision basically says that although you are not judged to have hit the ball twice you are guilty of stopping the ball whilst it is moving and therefore incur the penalty under rule 19-2. It doesnt apply to the OP's scenario because he only hit the ball once.

[Tin Pot]

I think I misunderstood but these sound like they contradict, the first bit (1-4) says no penaltly, the second (14-4/1) says 1 shot?

Different rule, different infraction.  I'm not sure it directly translates to Chip though as the ball never left the face of the club - it appears.

[SkankyShanky]

Oh right I got you. So scenario 1 the ball is adjudged to have stayed stuck to the club, but in 2 it left the clubface, then landed on it again.

Guess you'd need super HD slo-mo to verify scenario 1 .. ie. how can you be sure ball didn't leave the clubface?

[Tin Pot]

Oh right I got you. So scenario 1 the ball is adjudged to have stayed stuck to the club, but in 2 it left the clubface, then landed on it again.

Guess you'd need super HD slo-mo to verify scenario 1 .. ie. how can you be sure ball didn't leave the clubface?

I'll be sure to use my camcorder's HD Super Slow Mo function next time I see Chip_unsure in a bit of bother. I'm sure he won't mind!

[Robster]

It's not a Ping Eye 2 with the super sticky grooves is it?  :laugh:

[ask3l]

And this happened on the anniversary of the clump of grass wilting under Kenny Perrys sand iron

[MisterS3]

And this happened on the anniversary of the clump of grass wilting under Kenny Perrys 3 wood

fixed... he got the wedge out afterwards

[Roland]

It is allready in the decisions book...

Decision 1-4/2

Q: A player plays a stroke from wet sand or soil and the ball adheres to the face of the club. What is the ruling?

A: In equity (Rule 1-4), the ball should be dropped, without penalty, as near as possible to the spot where the club was when the ball stuck to it. But see also Decision 14-4/1.

and just for reference in case you are wondering what 14-4/1 is all about (striking the ball more than once)....

Q: A player, making a stroke at his ball on the bank of a bunker, hit the ball straight up. The ball came down and adhered to mud on the face of the club. Was the player in breach of Rule 14-4?

A: No. However, the player stopped his ball and was in breach of Rule 19-2.

In match play and stroke play, the player incurs a penalty of one stroke and must drop the ball as near as possible to the spot where the ball adhered to the club (Rule 19-2).

Reviving an old one. This happened at my club yesterday and I just wanted to clarify something.

If the ball is replaced under no penatly. Is the original stroke counted?