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Title: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Jun 08, 2022, 16:42:38
Anyone going or intending to watch (via You Tube) this event later in the week?

We are there this Thursday and very interested to see how this plays out. Irrespective of your own views of the Saudi regime this week is a potential game changer for the men's pro golf arena.
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Ant on Jun 08, 2022, 19:09:37
If its free to watch I'll watch as much as I can
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Scott W on Jun 08, 2022, 19:27:00
Seems that many more PGA folks are joining - just today (in addition to DJ and Phil) I am hearing Bryson, Fat Cheat Reed, Ricky, Kuchar, Homa plus a good few more - guess PGA Tour would need to reconsider life bans if that turns out to be the case
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Tonypate on Jun 09, 2022, 09:06:55
Seems that many more PGA folks are joining - just today (in addition to DJ and Phil) I am hearing Bryson, Fat Cheat Reed, Ricky, Kuchar, Homa plus a good few more - guess PGA Tour would need to reconsider life bans if that turns out to be the case

Can't ban them if they aren't members though - not sure how them resigning will affect them with the PGA, will be interesting to see the fallout
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Jun 09, 2022, 16:29:33
Can't ban them if they aren't members though - not sure how them resigning will affect them with the PGA, will be interesting to see the fallout

https://www.pgatour.com/news/2022/06/09/pga-tour-commissioner-jay-monahan-responds-players-competing-without-proper-releases.html (https://www.pgatour.com/news/2022/06/09/pga-tour-commissioner-jay-monahan-responds-players-competing-without-proper-releases.html)

PGA Tour has weighed in now Tony.

This is going to get really nasty (and legal) now!
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: euros on Jun 09, 2022, 18:12:31
With the contract values on offer why wouldn’t they jump ship?
Doubt many would earn that in a lifetime on the pga but then for most it’s actually doubling what they have already earnt. If we had offers like that in work (basically career earning in one lump sum and then still get paid after) we’d be doing the same.
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Ian on Jun 09, 2022, 20:35:01
Be interesting to see how the legal side goes but can’t see it ending well for the PGA.

Does seem like clear restriction of trade
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Jun 10, 2022, 08:49:46
Be interesting to see how the legal side goes but can’t see it ending well for the PGA.

Does seem like clear restriction of trade


If it all goes legal, it'll come down to who has the deepest pockets. Which is when the PGA Tour are stuffed......I suspect that Keith Pelley/The DP World Tour know this which is why they are are keeping quiet (for now...)
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Ant on Jun 10, 2022, 10:39:58
Enjoyed what I watched yesterday. Love that it's free and really applaud the things they are trying.  Shotgun start is perfect.
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: YOOFALLMAN on Jun 10, 2022, 12:42:30
…..it’ll soon be just another reality show…… :eyebrow:
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: 3puttwizard on Jun 10, 2022, 22:04:07
120k for coming last. Can I enter?  :lol:
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: ianbakerfinchrules on Jun 11, 2022, 10:30:32
at a much smaller scale the same thing is happening in the P.G.A Club Pros Golf events. The P.G.A are actively fining any P.G.A member playing in non P.G.A affiliated events (clutch,jamega,tp tour) if the satellite tour event clashes with a P.G.A event they have chosen not to play in.
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Blofeld on Jun 11, 2022, 13:04:14
120k for coming last. Can I enter?  :lol:

For that last place prize money I'd NR on the first and spend three days in the beer tent.
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: euros on Jun 11, 2022, 15:32:26
You could finish last but win the team……….


Watched about 20mins today. Nice to know everyone is playing at same time but with hole gaps the coverage seems to be rushing through things as people get to their ball and can play. Saying that they still take footing ages from that to when they actually hit it.
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Pleasedwith3putts on Jun 13, 2022, 12:30:43
You could finish last but win the team……….

Blandy was well down the field as an individual but his team did well - and he made about $600k in the process
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: 3puttwizard on Jun 17, 2022, 12:20:13
Secret golf pro reckons another two players are joining next week. One of them is allegedly top 16 in the world rankings
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Jun 17, 2022, 15:33:54
Secret golf pro reckons another two players are joining next week. One of them is allegedly top 16 in the world rankings


From Golf WRX;

Reports indicate that Brooks Koepka, Xander Schauffele, Collin Morikawa, and Viktor Hovland are now being rumored to be considering offers to join LIV Golf after the conclusion of the U.S. Open.

If true, that is HUGE news as it takes in Top 10 players..........
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Jun 21, 2022, 14:52:22
Brooks Koepka and Abraham Ancer about to be confirmed by LIV Golf....wonder who is next?!
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: euros on Jun 21, 2022, 20:28:37
I guess I may as well say here, I signed with liv last week. I paid them £20 to join

Guess brook’s deal was similar
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: YOOFALLMAN on Jun 22, 2022, 11:46:19
Brooks, IMO, has evolved in to a top level arrogant prick....so in that respect, he'll get on very well with Mickleson, Norman, Poulter and Bryson.......cant think the loss of Ancer to the PGA schedule will have Golf Fans coming out in a cold sweat either. :blink:

I'd be surprised and certainly more disappointed to see Schauffele, Morikawa, and  Hovland move across.....but you never know how big the carrot is that will be dangled.... :eyebrow:
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Jun 22, 2022, 16:40:50
That's the key really Graham.........if any of the guys in the OWGR Top 10 (those mentioned by you especially) go to LIV Golf then you might see some critical mass as 1, becomes 3 and then 5......at which point the PGA Tour is in big trouble.

But for the moment I think most of top 10 will wait it out for a few more weeks to see what happens and how much bigger the LIV cheques get.

As for Brooks, I think you're being far too kind with labelling him being an arrogant prick!  :thumbup1:
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: 3puttwizard on Jun 22, 2022, 23:09:14
Gonna get interesting if the top boys join. Rory is the spokesman for PGA and then he’ll have to do an about turn aswell
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: ecclesrec on Jun 24, 2022, 19:27:19
Gonna get interesting if the top boys join. Rory is the spokesman for PGA and then he’ll have to do an about turn aswell
He might win a major if they all f**k off and not be allowed to play in them!  :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: 3puttwizard on Jun 27, 2022, 11:08:06
I think most of the majors aren’t run by the PGA tour though
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Jun 27, 2022, 12:32:37
I think most of the majors aren’t run by the PGA tour though


None of them are Robin.....so the majors will do what they want in relation to LIV golfers.
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: 3puttwizard on Jun 27, 2022, 15:13:05
So are you saying there’s a chance?  :chuckle:
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Jun 27, 2022, 15:26:02
So are you saying there’s a chance?  :chuckle:


Have you not got your 2023 Masters invite yet Robin?  :chuckle:
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: 3puttwizard on Jun 27, 2022, 18:16:00
Yep. Ball spotter  :)
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Jun 27, 2022, 18:19:40
Yep. Ball spotter  :)


Shame you signed up for LIV Golf then (come on, how much did you get?!  :swag:) .........could have been a contender for the '23 Masters Championship  :thumbup:
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Jul 03, 2022, 15:46:28
Paul Casey has joined LIV Golf now too
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Jul 18, 2022, 08:37:23
https://irishgolfer.ie/latest-golf-news/2022/07/17/new-open-champ-cam-smith-set-to-turn-his-back-on-pga-tour-and-join-liv-golf/
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: srp973 on Jul 18, 2022, 09:22:36
And Stenson allegedly who will also have to give up the Ryder Cup captaincy..........
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Jul 18, 2022, 10:49:56
And Stenson allegedly who will also have to give up the Ryder Cup captaincy..........



He's been heavily rumoured for a few weeks now. Would be a real slap in the face to the DP Tour/Ryder Cup if he does go and they feel compelled to take away the captaincy as a result.

Who would get the gig in his place I wonder? A number of prior leading contenders for European RC Captain have already gone to LIV - Poulter/Westwood/McDowell/Garcia etc
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: freded on Jul 18, 2022, 11:38:54
Guy i know is Titleist's top tour rep.    He's said today that Cam Smith,  Stenson and Matsuyama are done deals and Scott probably as well
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Jul 18, 2022, 12:39:48
Guy i know is Titleist's top tour rep.    He's said today that Cam Smith,  Stenson and Matsuyama are done deals and Scott probably as well

And Tommy Fleetwood too.

Victor Hovland heavily rumoured as well.....
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: euros on Jul 18, 2022, 21:21:28
Feherty (or however u spell the commentators name)
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: euros on Jul 18, 2022, 22:09:48
Also, wouldn't it be easier for this thread to name those staying with the pga?
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: braehead on Jul 19, 2022, 08:29:04
If they get loads more players can they keep the same format?  Can you still do shotgun starts and no cuts etc if you've got more players than holes available to accommodate them?  Surely the whole prize money structure and sign on deals starts to change too. 
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: 3puttwizard on Jul 19, 2022, 10:19:36
Also, wouldn't it be easier for this thread to name those staying with the pga?

 :chuckle:

Rory and Billy might be the only one left at this rate
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: 3puttwizard on Jul 19, 2022, 10:20:46
If they get loads more players can they keep the same format?  Can you still do shotgun starts and no cuts etc if you've got more players than holes available to accommodate them?  Surely the whole prize money structure and sign on deals starts to change too.

I think there’s 48 in the mix? I read somewhere that some of the players had been dropped so they’ve shafted themselves if that’s the case
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Stanster on Jul 19, 2022, 12:01:39
https://youtu.be/GJb7xGURuYw

Gonna need a bigger jet
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: srp973 on Jul 19, 2022, 12:03:41


He's been heavily rumoured for a few weeks now. Would be a real slap in the face to the DP Tour/Ryder Cup if he does go and they feel compelled to take away the captaincy as a result.

Who would get the gig in his place I wonder? A number of prior leading contenders for European RC Captain have already gone to LIV - Poulter/Westwood/McDowell/Garcia etc

Rumour is Donald although don't see as a good captain.........but it might not matter  :raspberry:
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Jul 19, 2022, 15:12:52
I think there’s 48 in the mix? I read somewhere that some of the players had been dropped so they’ve shafted themselves if that’s the case


It's ok though..............the idiot orange baboon has weighed in now too;

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/19/sport/donald-trump-liv-golf-saudi-arabia-spt-intl/index.html

(the other Donald..........not L-U-K-E  :D)
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Jul 20, 2022, 08:01:47
Rumour is Donald although don't see as a good captain.........but it might not matter  :raspberry:


The Telegraph have reported overnight that Stenson has gone to LIV and is stripped of the 2023 RC captaincy.
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: srp973 on Jul 20, 2022, 08:26:49
Also heard that it could be Bjorn (again) - no  pun intended.......

Ironic - Money, Money, Money...............
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: freded on Jul 20, 2022, 12:26:13
3 new LIV players to be announced this week as they have confirmed 45 for next week's event

I hope they bag Cam Smith to really stick it to the PGA Tour.
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: freded on Jul 20, 2022, 12:42:17
Stenson fired as Ryder Cup captain so has obviously signed up to LIV
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: 3puttwizard on Jul 20, 2022, 13:00:54
So the US players on the LIV are banned from the RC?

Bryson/Koepka etc?
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Jul 20, 2022, 13:31:16
Stenson fired as Ryder Cup captain so has obviously signed up to LIV


Heard that is confirmed now and just waiting on the respective press releases.

Edit, now confirmed on the BBC;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/62237705 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/62237705)
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: YOOFALLMAN on Jul 21, 2022, 09:24:43
"Growing the Game ?"......what a loada' phucking sh1te !  :curse:
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: hotbaws on Aug 03, 2022, 16:35:50
Stenson is or should I say was skint and needed the money badly after loosing 30 million before buying fake art after listening to his mate and another shitty investment.
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Aug 03, 2022, 20:00:06
Stenson is or should I say was skint and needed the money badly after loosing 30 million before buying fake art after listening to his mate and another shitty investment.


It wasn’t anywhere near $30m he lost Gary.

Stenson lost $8m in the Allen Stanford “ponzi” scheme back in 2010 but he won the FedEx 3 years later which was a $10m bonus at the time, plus he had other wins that would have doubled that figure for 2013/2014.

Don’t know anything about any art investments though.

Problem is that he ain’t the sharpest stick in the box…… :no:
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: braehead on Aug 03, 2022, 20:46:02
I'd also heard he lost $20m in a fake art scam.  Amazing what some of these guys get involved with!!
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Aug 03, 2022, 21:49:13
I rest my case  :picard:

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/golf/henrik-stenson-makes-i-guess-we-can-agree-i-played-like-a-captain-joke-after-winning-4m-on-liv-golf-debut-3788740 (https://www.scotsman.com/sport/golf/henrik-stenson-makes-i-guess-we-can-agree-i-played-like-a-captain-joke-after-winning-4m-on-liv-golf-debut-3788740)

What a plank  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: hotbaws on Aug 04, 2022, 10:36:52

It wasn’t anywhere near $30m he lost Gary.

Stenson lost $8m in the Allen Stanford “ponzi” scheme back in 2010 but he won the FedEx 3 years later which was a $10m bonus at the time, plus he had other wins that would have doubled that figure for 2013/2014.

Don’t know anything about any art investments though.

Problem is that he ain’t the sharpest stick in the box…… :no:

Story came directly from Fleetwoods caddy Fino who's a member at West Lancs and plays with a good mate of mines Steve who came up for a couple of days and bunked in with us at the Open as he'd sorted him tickets for it so I'd give it more credence than normal tour gossip but who knows it could be all bull
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Aug 30, 2022, 14:29:21
As expected Cameron Smith has been confirmed at a LIV Golf player today and will play in the next event in Boston.
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Cols_Ears on Aug 30, 2022, 14:32:54
Rory is certainly keeping his end of the bargain up for the PGA Tour - what a finish Sunday night!

Not sure I actually care about LIV anymore, thought it was a bit interesting to start with but not sure I'll be tuning in to watch them in Boston.
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: euros on Aug 30, 2022, 19:17:28
if he got $100m that is over 3 times his total earnings from the PGA. that for nothing, why wouldn't he join?
aso be playing against a smaller weaker field so if he is the best player to go over its double bubble. I don't understand why the press expects them to stay.

Will it make me watch it, most probably not.
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Aug 31, 2022, 08:51:11
With LIV Golf the payments reported are spread over 4 years and not an up front sum. So if Cameron Smith got $100m (Personally I suspect it was a lot more given he is Open Champion and World #2 golfer in the rankings - plus his Management Company have other LIV golfers in their stable too) he'll have to play for 4 years to get all the money, plus any winnings too of course.

I still believe the tipping point is when (or, IF) half the top 10 players leave the PGA Tour for LIV.....but let's see if that happens, or not!
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Dick in Shorts on Aug 31, 2022, 09:43:23
Any top 10 golfers joining LIV will - unless they play Asian Tour events - start dropping out of the top 10 as they can’t earn ranking points.

Sounds as if DPWT are getting childish not having any LIV golfers play in the Pro Am at Wentworth

Also it appears to me that the PGA Tor have shafted the DPWT with their new plans which will enhance the US Tour to the detriment of Europe with their even larger prize funds and higher ranking events.
Major qualification via World Ranking position will become more difficult unless ou play on the PGA Tour
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: euros on Aug 31, 2022, 13:40:34
I read that their deals are structured with 50% payment upfront and the rest split over the remainder of thir contract. Even with the split its guaranteed earning for just turning up. No brainer.
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Dick in Shorts on Aug 31, 2022, 15:21:56
There was a report from the US court action that said their signing on fees were an advance on prize money they win in future.

Even so with guaranteed prize money at every event it makes economic sense to most of them
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: YOOFALLMAN on Sep 01, 2022, 14:02:14

Even so with guaranteed prize money at every event it makes economic sense to most of them

……
And keeps on “growing the game…”. 🤔
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Sep 01, 2022, 20:34:11
Wish that self serving, sanctimonious world class cheat (Gary Player, not his younger apprentice Patrick Reed) would shut the f*** up  :banghead:
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: freded on Sep 02, 2022, 20:11:06
Good looking leaderboard so far at the Liv event - can’t say the field isn’t strong
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Sep 04, 2022, 23:00:49
Good looking leaderboard so far at the Liv event - can’t say the field isn’t strong


Great last round on now too…..
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: freded on Sep 05, 2022, 07:35:38
Really was a great watch
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: YOOFALLMAN on Sep 06, 2022, 15:59:14
D.J. - "This LIV win felt more important to me than my Masters Win,to be honest. You know how many Green Jackets I can buy with $4 million?"

If it's true and he truly said that.....what an absolute W@NK !
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Sep 06, 2022, 21:53:45
D.J. - "This LIV win felt more important to me than my Masters Win,to be honest. You know how many Green Jackets I can buy with $4 million?"

If it's true and he truly said that.....what an absolute W@NK !


He’s a utter plank irrespective if he said that daft comment or not. If he had a third brain cell he’d be dangerous
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Gareth on Sep 08, 2022, 12:31:05
Would be a bit funny if a LIV golfer won the BMW PGA this week  :eyebrow:

What would SKY be allowed to show by the DP Tour???
Title: Re: LIV Golf
Post by: Pleasedwith3putts on Sep 19, 2022, 09:19:30
Commentary and reporting are so annoying. I like Feherty but they've all clearly been told to enthuse about LIV and the format at every opportunity which is painful. Throw in the OTT graphics and irritating music booming out, it's a hard watch even if the calibre of golfers has improved.