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Re: Lakeside bunkers
« Reply #15 on: Mar 23, 2015, 18:50:31 »
I still don't see WHY an area of the bunker would be marked with a red line though.

Why define some of the sand to be part of the LWH?

Under what scenario does the red line in the bunker make a difference?
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Re: Lakeside bunkers
« Reply #16 on: Mar 23, 2015, 19:05:16 »
I still don't see WHY an area of the bunker would be marked with a red line though.

Wasn't that that Dick's original question?  :unsure:

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Re: Lakeside bunkers
« Reply #17 on: Mar 23, 2015, 21:34:12 »
It was indeed

And also wondering why you would have to drop in the bunker and not on grass
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Re: Lakeside bunkers
« Reply #18 on: Mar 23, 2015, 21:52:11 »
It was indeed

And also wondering why you would have to drop in the bunker and not on grass

Because two club lengths from your NPR from the water hazard might be in the bunker.
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Re: Lakeside bunkers
« Reply #19 on: Mar 24, 2015, 08:05:36 »
I still don't see WHY an area of the bunker would be marked with a red line though.

Why define some of the sand to be part of the LWH?

Under what scenario does the red line in the bunker make a difference?

When i noticed the red line in the bunkers, i also noticed a kind of greeny tinge to the sand in that first few feet of sand from the water's edge, as if the water was affecting the sand in some way.

I just assumed that they'd made sure the red line was placed in a way where the golfer wouldn't need to stand or play from that sand.

I guess with the dangers lurking in the water the course might also be quite keen to avoid folk standing too close to the edge!

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Re: Lakeside bunkers
« Reply #20 on: Mar 24, 2015, 08:08:07 »
It was indeed

And also wondering why you would have to drop in the bunker and not on grass

You would have options though...

If you were looking for the point where the ball crossed into the hazard and that point was in a bunker, you'd need to drop within the two clublengths of that point, even if it was in a bunker.

However, you'd also have the option of going back to where you hit the shot.

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Re: Lakeside bunkers
« Reply #21 on: Mar 24, 2015, 09:20:09 »
You would have options though...

If you were looking for the point where the ball crossed into the hazard and that point was in a bunker, you'd need to drop within the two clublengths of that point, even if it was in a bunker.

However, you'd also have the option of going back to where you hit the shot.

thats true but from what I see on the telly it seems that the pro's view bunkers as allmost a good a lie as being in the middle of the fairway and not the challenges that we mere mortals seem to find them. Seeminlgy i guess theyd often prefer a short greenside bunker shot to going back to where they just played from.
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Re: Lakeside bunkers
« Reply #22 on: Mar 24, 2015, 09:29:06 »
thats true but from what I see on the telly it seems that the pro's view bunkers as allmost a good a lie as being in the middle of the fairway and not the challenges that we mere mortals seem to find them. Seeminlgy i guess theyd often prefer a short greenside bunker shot to going back to where they just played from.

Except a drop in to a soft bunker might result in a plugged lie....

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Re: Lakeside bunkers
« Reply #23 on: Mar 24, 2015, 09:41:24 »
thats true but from what I see on the telly it seems that the pro's view bunkers as allmost a good a lie as being in the middle of the fairway and not the challenges that we mere mortals seem to find them. Seeminlgy i guess theyd often prefer a short greenside bunker shot to going back to where they just played from.

Almost definitely...

Unless it's a really tough bunker shot, the pro would most probably calculate that there's a better chance of getting the ball close to the hole from the bunker even if the lie is slightly plugged, rather than have to hit another full shot that brings back the danger of hitting it into the water again.

I was just making the point that dropping in the bunker wouldn't be the only option...

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Re: Lakeside bunkers
« Reply #24 on: Mar 24, 2015, 12:13:50 »
I still don't see WHY an area of the bunker would be marked with a red line though.

Why define some of the sand to be part of the LWH?

Under what scenario does the red line in the bunker make a difference?

I seem to remember a few years ago one of the Senior Majors was played at one of the courses that sits on one of the Great Lakes, and due to the tidal nature of them they painted red lines into the sandy areas around the greens (on the shoreline) to mark exactly where the bunker started and the water hazard ended.  Presumably if your ball was in the bunker and underwater in those circumstances you got a free drop from 'casual water' whereas if you were under water but across the red line you were in the hazard?

I realise that the lakes at Bay Hill aren't tidal, but could the lines be in place for a similar reason?

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Re: Lakeside bunkers
« Reply #25 on: Mar 24, 2015, 13:06:15 »
Having seen the bunker and water on the 17th on Google Earth I'm reasonably confident that this is the most likely explanation.
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Re: Lakeside bunkers
« Reply #26 on: Mar 25, 2015, 06:43:21 »
I seem to remember a few years ago one of the Senior Majors was played at one of the courses that sits on one of the Great Lakes, and due to the tidal nature of them they painted red lines into the sandy areas around the greens (on the shoreline) to mark exactly where the bunker started and the water hazard ended.  Presumably if your ball was in the bunker and underwater in those circumstances you got a free drop from 'casual water' whereas if you were under water but across the red line you were in the hazard?


Yes.  Decision 25/2 would apply.
http://www.usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Decision-25/#d25-2

A later thought which doesn't make any difference to the basic matter that water overflowing from a water hazard is casual water, but when you say "sandy areas around the greens" it sounds as if these might be natural areas of sand and would not necessarily be bunkers.
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