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Re: New Rules of Golf published
« Reply #15 on: Mar 12, 2018, 15:40:18 »
Don't get the knee high drop thing. What's wrong with the current method? (I'll admit I haven't read anything about it but wondering if they've explained any of the reasons)

From the Beeb...

But the suggestion to allow players to take penalty or free drops from just an inch above the ground has been altered and this action will now be made from knee height.

"Our previous proposal had a number of difficulties with it, particularly around how close certain players would get to the ground in certain circumstances," David Rickman, the R&A's executive director of governance, told BBC Sport.

"Knee-height gave us that balance, gave us the ability to preserve the randomness of the drop. But by being significantly lower than shoulder height and by allowing a player to get their eyes over the ball, they can be much more precise in terms of the dropping procedure."

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Re: New Rules of Golf published
« Reply #16 on: Mar 12, 2018, 15:45:18 »
Also got mixed feelings about the "dropping in the vicinity of a lost or OOB ball".

If comps don't implement the maximum no of strokes for a hole, this will save lots of shots for some.

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Re: New Rules of Golf published
« Reply #17 on: Mar 12, 2018, 15:55:17 »
thought they might have allowed a free drop from a divot, at least on the fairway. But on the BBC the justification is that it can be hard to tell it's really a divot. Always thought that was a bit unfair myself.
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Re: New Rules of Golf published
« Reply #18 on: Mar 12, 2018, 16:23:00 »
thought they might have allowed a free drop from a divot, at least on the fairway. But on the BBC the justification is that it can be hard to tell it's really a divot. Always thought that was a bit unfair myself.

I think this is the dumbest thing in amateur golf.  You hit a good shot into the fairway, end up in a divot, make the divot waaay worse digging the ball out and it just damages the course more for everyone else, taking longer to heal.

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Re: New Rules of Golf published
« Reply #19 on: Mar 12, 2018, 16:46:31 »
yeah and the hole made by a burrowing animal rule ... how can it matter what kind of animal made the hole?
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Re: New Rules of Golf published
« Reply #20 on: Mar 12, 2018, 17:17:07 »
Wonder how many folks will try to implement one of these new rules in club comps across the country next weekend thinking that they are effective immediately!!!
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Re: New Rules of Golf published
« Reply #21 on: Mar 12, 2018, 17:45:05 »
My take is that the double hit rule is more a reaction to these super HD slow mo's in pro golf which apparently can show a double hit, even though by feel and by eye you wouldn't know you had done it.
Ahhh good point. I wasn't aware of that being a problem but I guess it makes sense to get rid of the armchair officials.

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Re: New Rules of Golf published
« Reply #22 on: Mar 12, 2018, 17:49:46 »
From the Beeb...

But the suggestion to allow players to take penalty or free drops from just an inch above the ground has been altered and this action will now be made from knee height.

"Our previous proposal had a number of difficulties with it, particularly around how close certain players would get to the ground in certain circumstances," David Rickman, the R&A's executive director of governance, told BBC Sport.

"Knee-height gave us that balance, gave us the ability to preserve the randomness of the drop. But by being significantly lower than shoulder height and by allowing a player to get their eyes over the ball, they can be much more precise in terms of the dropping procedure."

Hmmmm

So they want players to be able to drop with more precision but maintain some randomness. Seems like a fix to a problem I again wasn't aware of.

I think the finishing in a divot rule on the fairway would have been an improvement. Not that I used to hit many fairways so probably wouldn't affect me  but ask Luke Donald how annoying it is.

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Re: New Rules of Golf published
« Reply #23 on: Mar 12, 2018, 18:27:15 »
From the Beeb...


"Knee-height gave us that balance, gave us the ability to preserve the randomness of the drop. But by being significantly lower than shoulder height and by allowing a player to get their eyes over the ball, they can be much more precise in terms of the dropping procedure."


This will be great for those rain sodden autumn's and winters when you find your ball in casual water in a bunker. Instead of dropping from shoulder height and having it plug you can now bend over,  get the ball right under your eyes 2ft off the ground and precision bomb that big flat leaf that stops your ball plugging and allows it to run to a nice flat lie.

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Re: New Rules of Golf published
« Reply #24 on: Mar 14, 2018, 12:00:36 »
Any major rules changed for 2018?
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Re: New Rules of Golf published
« Reply #25 on: Mar 14, 2018, 16:44:03 »
None at all for this year that I’m aware of
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Re: New Rules of Golf published
« Reply #26 on: Sep 14, 2018, 11:41:10 »
Though I'd keep the 2019 rules changes all under one thread. Some of you may have noticed new "Players Editions" of the 2019 Rules books appearing at your clubs, effective 1st January 2019. There are a few things below that are not on the earlier link to the GM article.

Below is a summary of most of the major rules changes that may or may not affect you....summarized in plain English rather than "rules language"....there are loads of resources at https://www.rules.golf/#proposals including plenty of explanatory videos that really do demonstrated the major changes in a simple and effective manner.

So....in no particular order...

Dropping procedure
When taking relief (from an abnormal course condition or penalty area, for example), golfers must now drop from knee height. This will ensure consistency and simplicity in the dropping process while also preserving the randomness of the drop. When a ball is dropped it must remain in the “defined relief area”…i.e. it cannot roll up to two club lengths.
 
New Procedure - Ball Moved and you don’t know where it originally lay?
If your ball is moved by an outside agency (played by someone else in error or stolen by an animal for example) and you don’t know exactly where it lay you must replace the ball on its estimated original spot (under the current rules you drop the ball).

Measuring in taking relief
The golfer’s relief area will be measured by using the longest club in his/her bag (other than a putter) to measure one club-length or two club-lengths, depending on the situation, providing a consistent process for golfers to establish his/her relief area. (There was earlier talk of using 40/80 inches to define relief areas....this has now been dropped)

Embedded Ball
You may take relief if your ball is embedded anywhere (except in sand) in the “general area” (new term for “through the green”) except where a Local Rule restricts relief to the fairway or similar areas (this reverses the current default position where a Local Rule must be in place to allow relief from an embedded ball in the rough).

Removing the penalty for a double hit
The penalty stroke for accidentally striking the ball more than once in the course of a stroke has been removed. Golfers will simply count the one stroke they made to strike the ball.

Ball in Motion Deflected
There is now no penalty if your ball in motion hits you, your equipment, your caddie, someone attending the flagstick on your behalf, or the flagstick whether it is removed or attended.

Balls Lost or Out of Bounds: Alternative to Stroke and Distance
A new Local Rule will now be available in January 2019, permitting committees to allow golfers the option to drop the ball in the vicinity of where the ball is lost or out of bounds (including dropping on the nearest fairway area), under a two-stroke penalty.

Elimination or reduction of “ball moved” penalties
There will be no penalty for accidentally moving a ball on the putting green or in searching for a ball; and a player is not responsible for causing a ball to move unless it is “virtually certain” that he or she did so. A ball not on the green that is moved by the player will still incur a 1 shot penalty, as it does today.

Relaxed putting green rules
There will be no penalty if a ball played from the putting green hits an unattended flagstick in the hole; players may putt without having the flagstick attended or removed. Players may repair spike marks and other damage made by shoes, animal damage and other damage on the putting green and there is no penalty for merely touching the line of putt.

Relaxed rules for “penalty areas” (currently called “water hazards”)
Red and yellow-marked penalty areas may cover areas of desert, jungle, lava rock, etc., in addition to areas of water; expanded use of red penalty areas where lateral relief is allowed; and there will be no penalty for moving loose impediments or touching the ground or water in a penalty area…i.e. you can now ground your club.
The committee has the discretion to now mark all penalty areas as “red” so that “lateral relief” is always available.

Relaxed bunker rules
There will be no penalty for moving loose impediments in a bunker or for generally touching the sand with a hand or club. However, you must not touch the sand with hand or club to test the condition of the bunker, you cannot ground your club in the bunker in the area right behind or in front of the ball and you cannot ground the club in the bunker when making a practice swing or during the actual stroke backswing. An extra relief option is added for an unplayable ball in a bunker, allowing the ball to be played from outside the bunker with a two-stroke penalty.

Relying on player integrity
A player’s “reasonable judgment” when estimating or measuring a spot, point, line, area or distance will be upheld, even if video evidence later shows it to be wrong; and elimination of announcement procedures when lifting a ball to identify it or to see if it is damaged.

Time Allowable when Searching for a ball
The time allowable for a player to search for a ball has been reduced from 5 minutes to 3. If the ball is not found within 3 minutes of the search commencing, it is lost.

Damaged clubs
You can continue to use a club that was damaged during the course of your round irrespective of how that damage occurred (currently you can’t use it if you damaged it other than in the course of playing a stroke). You cannot replace a damaged club unless you were not responsible for the damage.

DMDs
You may use DMD’s to measure distance except when prohibited by a local rule (this reverses the current situation where a local rule is needed to allow the use of DMD’s)

Maximum Score
The Rules recognize a new “Maximum Score” form of stroke play, where your score for a hole is capped at a maximum (such as double par or triple bogey) set by the Committee under a specific Local Rule, so that you can pick up and move to the next hole when your score will be at or above the maximum.

Alignment for Stroke
Your caddie is not allowed to stand on a line behind you from the time you begin taking your stance until you have made your stroke.

Announcement of Intention to lift ball
Under the new rules you are no longer required to announce to another player that you intend to do so, or give that person the opportunity to observe the process.

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Re: New Rules of Golf published
« Reply #27 on: Sep 14, 2018, 16:14:42 »
Does the moving the ball one mean, if you stand on it when searching, there is or isn't a penalty?
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Re: New Rules of Golf published
« Reply #28 on: Sep 14, 2018, 17:38:19 »
There is now no penalty if your ball in motion hits you, your equipment, your caddie, someone attending the flagstick on your behalf, or the flagstick whether it is removed or attended.
What's to stop you laying it down behind the hole?
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Re: New Rules of Golf published
« Reply #29 on: Sep 14, 2018, 17:48:29 »
No penalty if you accidentally move - or stand on whilst searching for - your ball

Penalty if you purposely put equipment etc to stop your ball - so don’t leave the flagstick behind the hole on your line of putt
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