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Re: US Open 2018
« Reply #15 on: Jun 17, 2018, 11:11:58 »
Yes, I think it was 100% a protest by Mickelson, and I also think 100% that he should have been disqualified, especially after he admitted after that it was essentially pre-planned (rather than a moment of madness) to stop his ball moving to a position where he would have “no shot”.

I'm actually struggling to think of another case where anyone has actually deliberately and knowingly broken a rule of golf to gain an advantage before.  Normally when we talk about using the rules to your advantage it is something like Spieth at the Open last year (deliberately dropping behind a TIO), or DJ at the US Open a couple of years ago (getting line of sight relief from a TIO), or even Woods and the famous boulder incident, and in those cases players improved their options for their next shot by doing things that were allowed by the rules (and in all those cases approved by a rules official on the spot). 

Can anyone think of an example where someone has knowingly and deliberately broken a rule of golf intentionally and deliberately (i.e. not through ignorance of a rule) and taken the penalty because they thought it was a better option than playing the ball?  Bear in mind that declaring your ball unplayable because you deem that the better option (the ‘Mike incident' for example) is not breaking a rule, you are just choosing to proceed with one of the options that the rules allow you.

Personally I think that the USGA have made an error by applying the penalty for rule 14-5 (making a stroke at a moving ball) rather than rule 1-2 (ball purposely deflected or stopped), as I don’t think that 14-5 was written with this type of incident in mind, whereas I think this is exactly why rule 1-2 exists.

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Re: US Open 2018
« Reply #16 on: Jun 17, 2018, 14:46:55 »
Lefty should be DQ

Most of fans should be thrown out

Agreed. Pissed up idiots heckling the Europeans. Don’t know how Poulter kept his cool
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Re: US Open 2018
« Reply #17 on: Jun 17, 2018, 15:14:27 »


Can anyone think of an example where someone has knowingly and deliberately broken a rule of golf intentionally and deliberately


Sure.....but in these parts  its called being a cheating ba$tard !!  :curse:

Mickelson is definitely a marmite kinda guy in my book and that petulance last night is unlikely to endear him to any who were wavering in support ......David Simms..... :ninja:  I don't care what he tries to claim either....but it surely put big Beef off his stride ? Selfish , arrogant, conceited......call it what you will but they ( the USGA ) are unlikely  to censure one of their golden boys. Can you imagine that happening if Tiger was in his pairing ? Would have been good to see Phil nursing a burst lip......ass-hole.

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Re: US Open 2018
« Reply #18 on: Jun 18, 2018, 03:44:23 »
i think its shit but he did the crime and was willing to take the punishment. I know that the ethos of the game should stop you but when the prize is so large and pressure on, is the ethos enough of a deterrent? Maybe the rules need looking at to stop such events?
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Re: US Open 2018
« Reply #19 on: Jun 18, 2018, 09:35:29 »
i think its shit but he did the crime and was willing to take the punishment. I know that the ethos of the game should stop you but when the prize is so large and pressure on, is the ethos enough of a deterrent? Maybe the rules need looking at to stop such events?


The irony is he didn't seem to gain anything post the two shot penalty. Even if the ball had wandered off into a tricky spot he could still have taken an un-playable and would have had 3 putts from where he took his original putt from to card the same score. It wasn't as if that was impossible, his first attempt literally went off in his hands like a grenade

The wider issue is other players taking this approach when it does matter. Imagine Jon Rahm over the back of 18 at Torry Pines with 4 to get down to win. Lightning greens so he has time to run down past the rolling ball of his approach putt and waits for it to arrive by the hole only to see a danger of it heading into the water. In that scenario he might not fancy his chances of taking an unplayable and getting down in 3 from the back again, so does a Mickelson to try to knock the ball in whilst it is still moving.

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Re: US Open 2018
« Reply #20 on: Jun 18, 2018, 11:05:58 »
exactly, so why don't those in power take the bull by the horns and make sure that no one can do it again. Simple rule, hit ball whilst moving = DQ
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Re: US Open 2018
« Reply #21 on: Jun 18, 2018, 11:25:19 »
Euros -  because if it’s not deliberate that seems a bit harsh
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Re: US Open 2018
« Reply #22 on: Jun 18, 2018, 13:45:34 »
Euros -  because if it’s not deliberate that seems a bit harsh

but the incidents we are talking about are.
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Re: US Open 2018
« Reply #23 on: Jun 24, 2018, 23:38:25 »
exactly, so why don't those in power take the bull by the horns and make sure that no one can do it again. Simple rule, hit ball whilst moving = DQ

Would that include a double hit when you're chipping etc?

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Re: US Open 2018
« Reply #24 on: Jun 25, 2018, 03:20:04 »
Would that include a double hit when you're chipping etc?

no as that wouldn't be for gain

my thought is a general one to stop such cheating. When it would be worded then it could be done so to specify teh incidents it covers in a full clause or broken into smaller parts
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Re: US Open 2018
« Reply #25 on: Jun 25, 2018, 08:13:02 »
Would that include a double hit when you're chipping etc?

There’ll be no penalty for a double hit from January next year.

I also think Mickelson should have been DQed - partly for not know8ng the rules. He should have let it run out and declared unplayable.

That would have been much better than trying to save shots the way he attempted it
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