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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education
« Reply #30 on: Sep 01, 2020, 10:15:03 »
I will put my hand up and say I've not read many/any of the previous posts. Do I as an 'ordinary' member really need to know how it all works? Doesn't HDID just tell me my handicap? My club has made absolutely no mention in any way to the members that the handicap system is changing never mind any information on anything to do with it.



Honestly Keve....no you do not need to know HOW it all works and in the simplest form your competition management software will tell you what you handicap index is....and if it is set up so you pre-register your entry into a comp when you arrive at the club (on a player entry terminal) then it may well tell you what your playing handicap is for the day, for the course you are playing on and the format that you are playing.

However, you may be playing away from your home course...your playing handicap may well change from what it is at your home course when you play away. It may be useful to know how you calculate your handicap in such circumstances.

There are circumstances in the WHS where you may shoot a good score but your handicap still goes up (and equally might go down if you shoot a bad score)....having an understanding of how the system operates may help you in understanding why this happens.

Many players like to keep track of their handicaps and have an understanding of what they need to score in order to go down X (or up Y) when they stand on the first tee. The new system is a lot less friendly in allowing folks to do that...the underlying process is a lot more complex than simply up 0.1 or down a multiple of a fixed 0.1, 0.2, 0.3 etc amount.
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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education
« Reply #31 on: Sep 01, 2020, 10:17:01 »
Part 4...Course Handicap and Playing Handicap

How you use your handicap index to determine your course handicap and playing handicap.

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« Reply #32 on: Sep 01, 2020, 19:30:03 »
My biggest concern is team matches. I play in a 5 to 8 league. I'm imagining a situation where one of our players, a 5 handicapper near the cusp of 4 at our club is ineligible to play at a easier course.

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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education
« Reply #33 on: Sep 02, 2020, 08:21:00 »
Keve

I would expect that leagues like that would set the handicap range by Handicap Index - all players would be playing off similarly adjusted playing handicaps - ie slope affects all virtually the same for 5 - 8 and 95% if singles the same effect.

I guess some of us are trying to over complicate the new system - including me.

Simply put we get the difference between par and SSS before we play rather than afterwards - and software or charts will tell us how many strokes we get.

The Scottish VMS system will show your playing handicap as you go to the scoring element
:ping: G400 SFT 12 deg driver
:ping: G400 SFT  5 wood
:ping: G400  4(22 deg) & 5(26) deg) Hybrids
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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education
« Reply #34 on: Sep 02, 2020, 09:56:30 »
Keve

I would expect that leagues like that would set the handicap range by Handicap Index - all players would be playing off similarly adjusted playing handicaps - ie slope affects all virtually the same for 5 - 8 and 95% if singles the same effect.


The above is the only way it will work. Conditions of Competition will need to be rewritten to define entry requirements based on handicap index...not course handicap or playing handicap.
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« Reply #35 on: Oct 23, 2020, 09:21:45 »
Projected indexes have gone live on the SGU app, I've gone from 8 to 11.8, playing handicap of 13 on my home course.

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« Reply #36 on: Oct 23, 2020, 13:59:16 »
I don't think they're quite right though, I've got the same round entered 5 times, 4 times as one of my best 8.

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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education
« Reply #37 on: Oct 23, 2020, 15:55:36 »
Kev

Best tell your club - they’ve also used the same slope for both yellow and white tees for InverurieGC- so there are likely to be a few issues
:ping: G400 SFT 12 deg driver
:ping: G400 SFT  5 wood
:ping: G400  4(22 deg) & 5(26) deg) Hybrids
:wilson: Staff D300 6 - PW
:titleist: SM6 50/54/58 deg
:scottycameron: Futura 5S
:vice: Pro Soft

Prize Money: 2010=£276  2011=£406 +2 bottles Malt Whisky 
 2012=£351 2013=£95 2014=£240 2015=£225 2016=£475
2017=£368 2018= £767 2019=£582 2020=£284

WHS HI: 12.1
Alliance H’cap: 13 >12

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« Reply #38 on: Oct 23, 2020, 21:16:14 »
I've also got an open competition at Lanark on the championship course listed as being on their 9 holes course. One of my best rounds of the year and it's in as a +34 differential.
Plenty time to sort it out, they'll be no counting score for at least 6 months.

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« Reply #39 on: Oct 23, 2020, 23:16:40 »
Kev myself and a few of the other guys from Lanarkshire scores are the same from the wee course too. And my scores from st Andrews aren’t right either.

My HC has gone from 3.3 down to 0.9 on the app ffs


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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education
« Reply #40 on: Oct 24, 2020, 09:34:57 »
it seems like from what I read here and elsewhere the Scottish implementation is even more flawed than the English one!!
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« Reply #41 on: Oct 24, 2020, 11:15:04 »
Re Hotbaws. It's showing as the full course on  my laptop and the 9 hole course on my phone. Hopefully sorts itself out.

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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education
« Reply #42 on: Oct 28, 2020, 08:15:45 »
Pop quiz for Blofeld.


When playing in a Singles medal/stableford competition do you enter the course handicap on the card or do you work out the 95% calculation and put that down for playing handicap?



Seems to be conflicting information:

Q: What do I need to do when I arrive to play golf?
A: Register/sign in as normal. Utilise the resources available to determine your Course Handicap for
the set of tees being used. Check the Handicap allowance according to the terms of competition or
format of play (i.e. full handicap, percentage of handicap) and calculate your Playing Handicap for
that event. Once play is complete, return your score for processing in the system.

Q: Do I enter competitions using my Handicap Index or my Course Handicap?
A: Competition entry should be based on your handicap index. This will be clarified in the terms
of competition.
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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education
« Reply #43 on: Oct 28, 2020, 08:48:53 »
I guess both course and playing -
There are usually two boxes on cards - handicap and Strokes rec’d

Re entry then it will be index as it would relate to handicap limit - eg max 5 handicap would be Index as it could be a series of rounds played on different courses


Our Alliance is planning to use Index for playing handicap at all courses as we play in winter mainly out of season so courses not always set up to measured length
:ping: G400 SFT 12 deg driver
:ping: G400 SFT  5 wood
:ping: G400  4(22 deg) & 5(26) deg) Hybrids
:wilson: Staff D300 6 - PW
:titleist: SM6 50/54/58 deg
:scottycameron: Futura 5S
:vice: Pro Soft

Prize Money: 2010=£276  2011=£406 +2 bottles Malt Whisky 
 2012=£351 2013=£95 2014=£240 2015=£225 2016=£475
2017=£368 2018= £767 2019=£582 2020=£284

WHS HI: 12.1
Alliance H’cap: 13 >12

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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education
« Reply #44 on: Oct 28, 2020, 10:23:35 »
Pop quiz for Blofeld.


When playing in a Singles medal/stableford competition do you enter the course handicap on the card or do you work out the 95% calculation and put that down for playing handicap?



Seems to be conflicting information:

Q: What do I need to do when I arrive to play golf?
A: Register/sign in as normal. Utilise the resources available to determine your Course Handicap for
the set of tees being used. Check the Handicap allowance according to the terms of competition or
format of play (i.e. full handicap, percentage of handicap) and calculate your Playing Handicap for
that event. Once play is complete, return your score for processing in the system.

Q: Do I enter competitions using my Handicap Index or my Course Handicap?
A: Competition entry should be based on your handicap index. This will be clarified in the terms
of competition.

The strong recommendation I am hearing from the authorities is that the COURSE HANDICAP should go on cards. I'll see if I can dig out the resource.

The the second question is poorly worded and I don't believe there is a conflict between the two answers. I believe what this question is trying to ask is "when the Conditions of Competition define a handicap range as part of its entry requirements, what handicap is used to determine if I can enter"?

So...as you may be aware some competitions may be limited to "single figure golfers"...in the past that was really easy...you are either a single figure golfer or not. In the future, under the WHS you may have a handicap INDEX that is say 9.0 (so single figures) but this may give you a Course Handicap of maybe 11. Obviously this would cause confusion as to whether you were eligible or not...especially as in a match play knockout between clubs you may have a course handicap of 11 at one course and a course handicap of 9 at another course....you cant flit in and out of being eligible for such a comp depending on where it is being played. So, the question is trying to ascertain whether course handicaps or handicap indexes will be used to determine entry eligibility. Most sensible committees, when defining their conditions of competition will sate Handicap Index should be used.
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