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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #15 on: Oct 02, 2020, 16:06:33 »
Is it true that there will be no more buffer zones?
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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #16 on: Oct 02, 2020, 16:28:27 »
Yes and no handicap categories

So no cuts based on CSS or 0.1s

Just the recalculated average of the best 8 if your last 20 scores (converted back to your Handicap index)
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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #17 on: Oct 02, 2020, 17:24:11 »
The portal that will allow players to look up their handicaps and playing records on line will go live for players to access on 19th October.
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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #18 on: Oct 04, 2020, 10:34:15 »
The portal that will allow players to look up their handicaps and playing records on line will go live for players to access on 19th October.

 :thumbup1: will this be on the England golf site?
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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #19 on: Oct 04, 2020, 10:57:17 »
:thumbup1: will this be on the England golf site?

No...its is a separate site that is being developed....though there may be a link to the site from the EG web pages.

However....I learned yesterday that there is at least one, possibly more Handicap Software providers who wont be able to upload player data to the new site until the WHS system actually goes live on the 2nd November...there have been various technical issues that are preventing them from doing this and already there is something of a blame game starting between the software providers and England Golf.

So...depending on who your provider is, on the 19th....there might not be any data for you to see....the idea was that software providers would automatically upload certain data to the portal....it may well be that Handicap Committees have to enter the data manually for all their members!!!

I'll be able to tell you more on the 12th which is when I (as an administrator for my club) get full access.

England Golfs timeline is...

5th October....Handicap Software systems upload player data (email addresses and DoB's) to the WHS platform
12th October... Adminstrators get access to the system to check existing player data
19th October...Players get access and will be able to see there proposed Handicap Index
2nd November....go live

Like i said....the 5th is in doubt for certain providers and seemingly according to EG communications, after this date the system will only be able to be updated manually....lets hope this (like other things the authorities have said) is not correct!!!
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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #20 on: Oct 13, 2020, 15:01:28 »
The other thread got me thinking about reductions

Say you have 20 rounds, get a handicap based on the best 8 etc.

If you shoot a good score under handicap the same as your current 20th round score. You don’t get cut?

Basically you need a good run of scores to knock the crap ones out of the last 20? If that’s the case then If you aren’t consistently shooting good scores you won’t get a reduction?
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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #21 on: Oct 13, 2020, 16:00:53 »
The other thread got me thinking about reductions

Say you have 20 rounds, get a handicap based on the best 8 etc.

If you shoot a good score under handicap the same as your current 20th round score. You don’t get cut?

Basically you need a good run of scores to knock the crap ones out of the last 20? If that’s the case then If you aren’t consistently shooting good scores you won’t get a reduction?

Pretty much spot on Robin. Any score you shoot has got to be better than your 8th best score in order to get a cut.

There may even be cases where you shoot what you would traditionally consider to be "better than handicap" but if your 20th oldest score was a REALLY good one and your new score, whilst being one of the best 8 isnt as good as that 20th score....your index will actually go up.

It works the other way round mind in that you could shoot a score that is poor (over handicap if you like) but is better than the 20th score (and that 20th score was one of your best 8) where your handicap might come down.

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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #22 on: Oct 13, 2020, 16:10:56 »
Pretty much spot on Robin. Any score you shoot has got to be better than your 8th best score in order to get a cut.

There may even be cases where you shoot what you would traditionally consider to be "better than handicap" but if your 20th oldest score was a REALLY good one and your new score, whilst being one of the best 8 isnt as good as that 20th score....your index will actually go up.

It works the other way round mind in that you could shoot a score that is poor (over handicap if you like) but is better than the 20th score (and that 20th score was one of your best 8) where your handicap might come down.

Well that's completely stupid, and i am sure people are going to abuse the system to get an inflated handicap (nothing new there)
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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #23 on: Oct 13, 2020, 16:16:18 »
Which leads onto the fact that someone could win a competition and their  handicap could go up?!
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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #24 on: Oct 13, 2020, 16:25:22 »
Well that's completely stupid, and i am sure people are going to abuse the system to get an inflated handicap (nothing new there)

They will have to work bloody hard to get an inflated handicap as they will need to put in plenty of scores before they start wiping out their good ones.

Additionally, there is something called a soft cap and a hard cap in the system. These caps make a note of the lowest handicap index a player has held in the last 12 months...

the soft cap is triggered when a players index reaches 3 shots higher than the "low handicap index" and causes any further increases to be limited to 50% of what they normally would be.

The hard cap prevents a players handicap index from rising more than 5 shots higher than "the low handicap index".
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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #25 on: Oct 13, 2020, 16:26:31 »
Which leads onto the fact that someone could win a competition and their  handicap could go up?!

Theoretically yes.
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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #26 on: Oct 13, 2020, 16:27:44 »
I've just seen that my admin access to the WHS has now been livened up.

My index is 11.2 (my current CONGU handicap is 11.9)
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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #27 on: Oct 13, 2020, 16:31:41 »
seemingly I can look up anyones proposed index!!!!

Don't all rush at once....you should get your own access next week!!!
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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #28 on: Oct 13, 2020, 16:59:48 »
seemingly I can look up anyones proposed index!!!!

Don't all rush at once....you should get your own access next week!!!
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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #29 on: Oct 13, 2020, 17:08:57 »
Go on then Nick - CDH 1015121636
I'm guessing somewhere in the region of 4.2-4.5 based on what you've said previously, assuming my Scottish HCap hasn't been used as well.

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