World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion

[3puttwizard]

We will have all forgotten about WHS by the time we get back playing

[Blofeld]

We will have all forgotten about WHS by the time we get back playing

must admit....it has been nice not having to fend off members queries!!!!!

[Keve]

Query re how many stokes you can reduce your handicap by in a season. I've been told you can only reduced your index by 3 max in the one season. I'm at the point where I've came down by 2.8, today's score looks possibly like knocking off another 0.4. Would it just freeze it at the 3?

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[Blofeld]

Query re how many stokes you can reduce your handicap by in a season. I've been told you can only reduced your index by 3 max in the one season. I'm at the point where I've came down by 2.8, today's score looks possibly like knocking off another 0.4. Would it just freeze it at the 3?

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You have been misinformed. There is no downward limit.

[Keve]

Cheers Nick.

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[3puttwizard]

Last few winning comps have been won by 20+ handicappers

The last one was 47 points. Guy off 5 who played with me shot 40 points and came 20th. I can see over time that scores would level off but as soon as a higher handicapper joins they will walk the competition. A lot of the single figure players only play medals now.

[Keve]

You have been misinformed. There is no downward limit.

After a quite amazing purple patch I have came down 4.6 in total, 11.6 to 7.0. I'm now in a situation where scores 14-20 are all counting, some seriously good scores are about to drop off and I'm playing like a donkey. Unless I can find some form I've got for example a 3.1 about to be replaced by a 10.6 and a 6.2 being replaced by a 13.4. The rest are around 3 higher too.
Is the upper limit 3 from where I'm at just now or from where I started at the beginning of the season?

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[Blofeld]

After a quite amazing purple patch I have came down 4.6 in total, 11.6 to 7.0. I'm now in a situation where scores 14-20 are all counting, some seriously good scores are about to drop off and I'm playing like a donkey. Unless I can find some form I've got for example a 3.1 about to be replaced by a 10.6 and a 6.2 being replaced by a 13.4. The rest are around 3 higher too.
Is the upper limit 3 from where I'm at just now or from where I started at the beginning of the season?

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The "upper limit" or "cap" is based on your "low handicap index" which is the lowest index you have held in the previous rolling 365 days.

The "cap" is triggered in 2 stages...

(i) The soft cap. The soft cap is triggered when the difference between a player’s
newly calculated Handicap Index and their Low Handicap Index is greater than
3.0 strokes.

When a calculated Handicap Index increase is greater than 3.0 strokes, the
value above 3.0 strokes is restricted to 50% of the increase.

(ii) The hard cap. The hard cap triggers to restrict the amount by which a
player’s Handicap Index can increase, after application of the soft cap, to no
more than 5.0 strokes above their Low Handicap Index.

So...if your index rises more than 3 strokes from the low handicap index, any future increases in handicap index will be restricted to half of what they would be....so if a round meant that your index would rise by another 0.8 strokes then it would be limited to a 0.4 stroke increase.

Once you get to 5 shots higher than the low index, your handicap index is prevented from rising at all.

[Keve]

Cheers Nick. Hopefully the form will return and it'll not be an issue.

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[Blofeld]

The opposite to you, when we got back to playing at the end of March, all of my best 8 had been shot in my 11 most recent rounds at the end of 2020.....so I had 9 rounds where....no matter how badly I played, my handicap index wasn't going anywhere in an upward direction.

5 competition rounds so far and until yesterday they'd all been in the high 80's or low 90's so my best 8 have got older and older....4 more rounds and I will have 5 consecutive rounds that are part of my best 8 will start dropping off.

[3puttwizard]

Last few winning comps have been won by 20+ handicappers

The last one was 47 points. Guy off 5 who played with me shot 40 points and came 20th. I can see over time that scores would level off but as soon as a higher handicapper joins they will walk the competition. A lot of the single figure players only play medals now.

And another one. Board comp, 160 people playing big pot of cash.

A long time member was playing with a new member playing off 23 who scored a net 60.  He told them he played mostly in Spain where he played off 11.

Brazen bloody banditry

[Blofeld]

And another one. Board comp, 160 people playing big pot of cash.

A long time member was playing with a new member playing off 23 who scored a net 60.  He told them he played mostly in Spain where he played off 11.

Brazen bloody banditry

or simply a failure of your local Handicapping Sec to take into account the players old handicap when allocating a new one (assuming the player told him of his playing history that is).

[sally]

or simply a failure of your local Handicapping Sec to take into account the players old handicap when allocating a new one (assuming the player told him of his playing history that is).

Seems to be a common problem we have had a lot of new members join from another club and they have all been given completely new handicaps and like at Robins club alot are in the 20+ hcp range and are winning pretty much everything.  One of our most prestigous comps was a few weeks back a 36 hole medal was won at net 12 under par.

[YOOFALLMAN]

...a good mate of mines who, for a variety of reasons, had let his last handicap lapse at least a couple of years back ( I'm going to say it was 6 or 7 around three years ago- but possibly even longer than that ? ) ....has in the last two weeks submitted three cards off the medal tees at Dunbar.....played under relatively benign scoring conditions each day ( not that it helped me mind you.... ) . So off the whites we are 6597 yards, Par 71, Course Rating 70 and Slope of 113.
In the order played in the last two weekends, my mate shoots ( gross ) 84 ( +13 ) , 74 ( +3 ) and another 74 ( +3) - so, without insulting your arithmetical prowess....a combined nineteen over par. He wanted a quick turnaround as we are entered in an open Texas Scramble this weekend and he needed to get his bloody finger out.  Now , I know a wee bit more about this WHS than I did a few months back but still not really getting it as I find some people's handicaps are utterly astonishing ......but based on these three scores, as mentioned, a combined 19 over, just this lunchtime he received notification that Dunbar have given him a lovely vanity handicap of +0.5. So the rules of the W.H.S. ( presumably ? ) have decreed he is just 0.1 from a plus 1 handicap.......Hmm......I'm sure there's logic in that somewhere......

[Blofeld]

...a good mate of mines who, for a variety of reasons, had let his last handicap lapse at least a couple of years back ( I'm going to say it was 6 or 7 around three years ago- but possibly even longer than that ? ) ....has in the last two weeks submitted three cards off the medal tees at Dunbar.....played under relatively benign scoring conditions each day ( not that it helped me mind you.... ) . So off the whites we are 6597 yards, Par 71, Course Rating 70 and Slope of 113.
In the order played in the last two weekends, my mate shoots ( gross ) 84 ( +13 ) , 74 ( +3 ) and another 74 ( +3) - so, without insulting your arithmetical prowess....a combined nineteen over par. He wanted a quick turnaround as we are entered in an open Texas Scramble this weekend and he needed to get his bloody finger out.  Now , I know a wee bit more about this WHS than I did a few months back but still not really getting it as I find some people's handicaps are utterly astonishing ......but based on these three scores, as mentioned, a combined 19 over, just this lunchtime he received notification that Dunbar have given him a lovely vanity handicap of +0.5. So the rules of the W.H.S. ( presumably ? ) have decreed he is just 0.1 from a plus 1 handicap.......Hmm......I'm sure there's logic in that somewhere......

You sure about the quoted Course Rating and Slope? The National Course Rating DB https://ncrdb.usga.org/courseTeeInfo.aspx?CourseID=22611 has Dunbars white tees as Par 71, CR 72.3 and Slope 128.

By my calcs I'd expect his best nett differential to be (74-72.3)/128*113 = 1.5

with just 3 scores in his record his initial index is based on his best differential, minus 2 strokes which would give him an index of plus 0.5

Doesnt matter what his combined nett score is....the system at this early stage is only interested in his best score....and given that he's shot 74 twice I'm not sure what he really was expecting/wanting  He's obviously a good golfer.