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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #285 on: Jun 08, 2021, 22:10:29 »
Nick, thanks for the explanation - really appreciated and most certainly aids my understanding a bit more    :yes:
I dunno where I got the course rating and slope numbers from ? A momentary brain  fart I think  :sad:

I think Andy, my mate  just feels it’s a handicap that he will not really have a realistic chance of playing to - and that is his 100% honest assessment.  :eyebrow:

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« Reply #286 on: Jun 09, 2021, 01:01:04 »
Nick with the soft and hard limit up now apply to Graham’s mate currently off his 0.5 HC?

I’m asking as the SHU made a balls up of my data import and it ended with me getting a HC of 1.0, after a manual adjustment by my local club HC sec to 2.3 I’ve put in general play scores ever time I’ve played and I’m not 3.7 which is probably still not accurate. I was 3.3 before the change over but playing horrendous and getting lessons in an effort to not wanting to put my clubs through the chop saw so they’ll fit in the wheelie bin.


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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #287 on: Jun 09, 2021, 10:55:34 »
Nick with the soft and hard limit up now apply to Graham’s mate currently off his 0.5 HC?

I’m asking as the SHU made a balls up of my data import and it ended with me getting a HC of 1.0, after a manual adjustment by my local club HC sec to 2.3 I’ve put in general play scores ever time I’ve played and I’m not 3.7 which is probably still not accurate. I was 3.3 before the change over but playing horrendous and getting lessons in an effort to not wanting to put my clubs through the chop saw so they’ll fit in the wheelie bin.



No.

The simple reason being that with so few scores in a players record when they first start out a players index is likely to be highly volatile.

Low Handicap Indexes are not set/established until a player has 20 scores on their record.

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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #288 on: Jun 09, 2021, 11:00:26 »
Nick, thanks for the explanation - really appreciated and most certainly aids my understanding a bit more    :yes:
I dunno where I got the course rating and slope numbers from ? A momentary brain  fart I think  :sad:

I think Andy, my mate  just feels it’s a handicap that he will not really have a realistic chance of playing to - and that is his 100% honest assessment.  :eyebrow:

If his 4th score is worse than either of the 74's then his index will immediately rise by 1 stroke.....when a player has 4 scores in their record the index is based on the best score minus ONE stroke.

Should his 5th round be worse than 74 then he will go up another stroke (index based on best score).

However  :D if his 6th round is worse again then his index will go back DOWN by a stroke because it will be based on the average of his BEST TWO scores minus one stroke....unfortunately he has 2 74's in his record!!!
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« Reply #289 on: Aug 27, 2021, 23:44:10 »
Query on a competition handicap.
Index 8.7 Playing Handicap 10
The competition is 95% so would be 9.5 which would be playing off 10.
I'm only showing as a 9 on the draw sheet, I was the same at an Open comp last week.
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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #290 on: Aug 28, 2021, 08:11:14 »
Kev

In Scotland to get to Playing handicap the actual (to x decimal places) course handicap is used and then when 95% calculation done the playing handicap is then rounded

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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #291 on: Aug 28, 2021, 09:37:24 »
DiS is correct.

Depending on the slope rating of your course your exact unrounded Course Handicap could well be anywhere between 9.5 and 9.9 which in England, Ireland and Wales would mean a rounded Course Handicap of 10 and then 95% of that is 9.5 which still gives you 10 as a competition handicap.

Scotland do things differently and calculate the Course Handicap to 1 decimal place before applying the 95% allowance.

Believe it or not, Scotland, by taking the UNROUNDED Course Handicap are following the rules of the WHS exactly....so a CH of 9.9 gives a competition handicap of 9.4 (when taking the 95%) which then rounds down to the 9 you are seeing.

Now you know this, you may well ask "what the hell then is the point of the conversion boards (that many clubs have by the first tee or close to the clubhouse) that tell you what your Course Handicap is depending on your Playing Handicap" (which show the CH rounded to an integer).....and you would be perfectly within your rights to ask this question!!!
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« Reply #292 on: Aug 28, 2021, 23:03:18 »
Cheers guys. I've had a look at the conversion chart and 8.7 is at the very low end of making 10 so definitely is as you explain it.

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« Reply #293 on: Apr 20, 2022, 10:36:56 »
I'm looking for some information on the adjusted gross part of the WHS.
Rubbish round yesterday, 80 gross adjusted to 79. I had 1 double bogey, a 7 on a oar 5 index 17 so no shot. I'm not sure why this would have been adjusted down. Bit pissed as it got me cut a full shot on my playing handicap and I've got a tie tomorrow.

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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #294 on: Apr 20, 2022, 13:56:29 »
I'm looking for some information on the adjusted gross part of the WHS.
Rubbish round yesterday, 80 gross adjusted to 79. I had 1 double bogey, a 7 on a oar 5 index 17 so no shot. I'm not sure why this would have been adjusted down. Bit pissed as it got me cut a full shot on my playing handicap and I've got a tie tomorrow.

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On the face of it a nett double bogey should not have been adjusted.

If you can somehow post an image of your card/score on a hole by hole basis...perhaps a screenshot of where you are seeing the adjustment....I might be able to assist further.
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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #295 on: Apr 20, 2022, 15:15:25 »
SGU first.

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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #296 on: Apr 20, 2022, 15:16:48 »
HDID next, double on 18 too but I stroke on that hole so net 5.

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« Reply #297 on: Apr 20, 2022, 16:30:23 »
Sorry mate....nothing there gives any clues....was hoping the Scottish Golf app might show where the adjustment actually occurred....does it give any more hole by hole detail or just the summary shown?

Just a thought....do you have any examples on the SGU app where you HAVE had hole adjustments that you recognise as being correct? Any chnace of posting a screenshot of what the SGU app displays for that round (the summary...like you have posted above).



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« Reply #298 on: Apr 20, 2022, 16:45:57 »
None I can think of Nick without going through my complete, I'm usually fairly steady and don't throw in any triples or worse, unusual to have more than 1 double. I'll message my MS and ask him to take a look.
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Re: World Handicapping Scheme Education Discussion
« Reply #299 on: Apr 20, 2022, 17:58:33 »
Probably best.....the only thing I can think of is that there may have been a PCC adjustment which has been factored in to the Adjusted Gross score.

The thing against that theory though is that I am assuming the Adjustments (Adj/ExS/PCC) 0/0/0 is supposed to be a summary of all adjustments....and all the figures are zero.....mind you...that's not to say there might be an issue with the App that means these figures aren't displayed correctly!!!!....which is why I was asking for an example of a score where a known correct adjustment did happen.

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